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[-] ekZepp@lemmy.world 125 points 1 month ago
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[-] LucidNightmare@lemm.ee 101 points 1 month ago

If the average person can not use your OS, it is not ready. Period.

For example:

Windows - Open File Explorer > Add Network Drive > Find/plug it in > Enter creds > Bam. Ready to go and will automatically log you in at boot. Very nice, very intuitive UI.

Linux - Open Dolphin (or whatever) > Network > Add Network Folder/Find it > Enter creds > Does not automatically mount the drive when booting the computer back up > Must go into fstab to get it to automount > Stop, because that is ridiculous

In my own experience, I was able to get the hang of Windows with no one showing me how a computer ever worked, at the age of 10! Intuitive enough a child can do it.

On Linux, you have to read manuals/documentation, ask random (mostly rude) people on the internet, or give up because why the fuck would I want to go and enter 5 commands just to have something as simple as auto mount a network share? Not intuitive, therefore not easy to learn as you go.

I get it, Linux people like knowing how their computers operate, they like ensuring everything is working the way THEY want to, and that's awesome! What's not awesome is recommending Linux to the general populace and then getting upset at them for asking why they can't do something or why don't they just do these steps to do whatever it is they are having issues with. Then, you have a person who doesn't even know what a terminal is confused as hell because they were told Linux is so much better than Windows.

Until we get a more intuitive (GUI focused) way of doing what I would consider normal computer tasks, it will not ever be ready. That's just the way I see it.

[-] Darorad@lemmy.world 38 points 1 month ago

Meanwhile my experience with automounting network drives with dolphin is

Open Dolphin > Add Network Folder > Enter creds > Check automount box > done

I haven't had to use the terminal for anything in years. There's some things I do in the terminal, but that's because I like it better, not because there isn't an intuitive way to do it.

The reason guides tell people to use the terminal is because it's the same across DEs, not because there aren't DEs that make it more intuitive.

Would I throw a random non techy friend on Linux? No, because it's not what they're used to. If they had no computer experience at all though I absolutely would.

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[-] Zink@programming.dev 36 points 1 month ago

The average person does not mount network drives themselves.

I would hazard a guess that for the truly average user, booting to a desktop with Firefox and LibreOffice installed is like 90% of what they need.

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[-] schibutzu@lemm.ee 32 points 1 month ago

I once wanted to change my mouse scrolling direction on Windows. In KDE it's a toggle in the mouse settings and on Windows it's some dubious registry editing (apparently). I think there are about as many things that are easier on Linux than on Windows as there are things that are easier on Windows than on Linux (assuming you're using a modern distribution with a beginner-friendly, sensible configuration).

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[-] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

I mean, I was able to figure out how MS-DOS worked as a child just be flailing on the keyboard and reading the errors. It was "easy" because now I know it while Macintoshes may as well have been alien technology. A "mouse"?, moving windows?, you have to find programs and click on them instead of just typing?

You're just used to Windows annoyances and not used to Linux annoyances, that's all.

For example:

Installing and updating a program on Windows is a horror show compared to using a package manager. It expects average users to find, download and run executable files from the Internet and conditions them to approve elevation for anything that asks.

If Windows breaks, how do you troubleshoot it? Maybe Google knows, maybe rebooting fixes it, if not then possibly re-installing the entire OS. It's so bad that if you work with Windows clients you probably already have an image of a Windows install because troubleshooting is so much of a pain it's easier to just completely re-image the machine.

Don't even get me started on how often Microsoft changes the layout of administration tools and system menus or their tendency to change the name of various system components for no logical reason.

I don't think Linux is for everyone, but only because most everyone already has years of Windows experience and forgets all of the frustration and learning.

If you used Linux for just as long as you've used Windows, then editing fstab would seem as trivial a task as pinning an item to the ~~start bar~~ taskbar, or ~~launching a program~~ starting an app from the ~~system tray~~ ~~notification area~~ system tray.

[-] muhyb@programming.dev 13 points 1 month ago

It's kinda funny that as a seasoned Linux user, I never had to edit fstab for years. I just use Gnome Disks if I need automount or format a USB drive.

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[-] zqps@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 month ago

Mounting a network share is beyond the usage scope of the DAU you describe. They need a functional default desktop environment, working standard drivers for their standard hardware, and a browser. That's pretty much it.

And let's not pretend there's anything intuitive about Windows distinguishing between accessing a network share, and mounting it as a virtual drive. This is just the staying power of "whatever I'm used to from an age when I had the curiosity and patience to figure stuff out".

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[-] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 65 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Thanks to the likes of Proton, gaming on Linux is a hell of a lot better than it was ~5 years ago. You can actually do it now for the most part without to much fuss in my experience as long as you stick to Steam.

But once you leave Steam or get something brand new made by an EA type and have to lean on third party implementations of Proton or raw Wine to get things working it gets a lot worse.

[-] MouldyCat@feddit.uk 40 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

But once you leave Steam [...] it gets a lot worse

Heroic Games Launcher is pretty great for games from GOG and Epic. You can run games with Proton just fine.

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[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 21 points 1 month ago

Also, for folks out of the loop, let me explain what this entails. I installed Steam. I clicked install on a game. I clicked play in Steam. That was it. Proton isn't some sort of thing you need to install or launch separately. It really does "just work".

I'm able to play Deep Rock Galactic, Helldivers 2, and even Marvel Rivals online just fine. All of these are online multiplayer games, the types that generally seem to have the most trouble on Linux.

[-] YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

Agreed, but I think it's important to note that that isn't because of a shortcoming of Linux, it's because those companies are incentivized to support platforms that are more suitable for enabling massive profits, that's what it seems like to me anyways.

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[-] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 55 points 1 month ago

"Nvidia GPU working"

If the driver feels like it, lol.

[-] InnerScientist@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

If the gpu doesn't burn

[-] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I know NVIDIA gets a lot of shit, but I've honestly never encountered a problem after using nvidia + Linux for well over a decade. Sure, it can be picky when it comes to kernel version, but deciding on a kernel that works well for you and the rest of the system is part of initial setup of a proper system anyway.

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[-] bluelander@lemmy.ml 43 points 1 month ago
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[-] HeckGazer@programming.dev 38 points 1 month ago

It certainly sounds like wayland is just about ripe. Any DE recommendations for a lifelong XFCE enjoyer like myself?

[-] Hubi@feddit.org 63 points 1 month ago

KDE. It's working very well with Wayland. I've been using both on my daily driver for a year now and it's come a long way since then. It was still a bit rough in the beginning but now I can't see myself going back. It's pretty polished.

[-] dabaldeagul@feddit.nl 24 points 1 month ago

I've been using KDE Plasma with Wayland for a couple of months and it's been really good. The apps that don't support it properly open as an X11 window inside Wayland, which is perfectly fine. I'm not switching back to X11 either haha

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[-] lilith267 23 points 1 month ago

Xfce next major release will have Wayland support so no need to even change!

[-] KrapKake@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago
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[-] lorty@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 month ago

This isn't really how this format works but ok

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

TBH, so many people I know don't even know how to use Windows. Or even a browser. iOS or maybe Android is their PC, all through apps and feeds.

Like, if I explained laptop BIOS access for installing Linux, I’d lose them before I even started.

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[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 25 points 1 month ago

Have you guys decided which distro is the ready one?

[-] devfuuu@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

At this point it should be obvious, btw

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[-] skibidi@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

Linux isn't ready.

While many things will work 'out of the box', many won't. Hell, for like 3 months HDR was causing system-wide crashes on Plasma for Nvidia cards, so the devs just disabled the HDR options until there was an upstream fix.

There are still a host of resume-from-sleep issues, Wayland support is still spotty, and most importantly - not every piece of software will run.

Linux is my daily driver, I have learned to live and love the jank. My wife uses windows and does not want to be confronted with a debugging challenge 5% of the time when she turns on her computer, and I think that is fair.

These kinds of posts paper over lots of real issues and can be counterproductive. If someone jumps into the ecosystem without understanding, these kinds of posts only set them up for frustration and disappointment.

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[-] 8000gnat@reddthat.com 18 points 1 month ago

everyone in the comments is talking about linux, not a single comment about how this meme format is used exactly wrong

[-] WereCat@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

I'm still waiting for ThanosLinux that's based on Ubuntu and only uses Snaps.

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[-] Strawberry 15 points 1 month ago
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[-] rovingnothing29@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

Linux has been ready since 2008. Literally not had a single real problem since Ubuntu 7.10 kept turning my monitor off while booting. Everything just works and has for 17 years now.

Every problem I see people have now (IRL not online) is 'I don't like the default theme' tier nonsense.

[-] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 month ago

The "works on my machine" certification sure seems like an amazing barometer for usability.

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[-] AstralPath@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 month ago

Discord screensharing is working on Wayland now? :O

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[-] RandomVideos@programming.dev 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

On the 5 distros i used, i had different problems that would make normal people uninstall the OS

I could ignore them because the benefits outweigh the problems, other people probably couldnt because they want a stable computer, not cool features

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[-] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 14 points 1 month ago

The fact is, if my favourite game doesn't run on Linux, Linux is dead to me.

Similarly to some software that has no direct alternatives.

Which sucks.

[-] JayDee@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

His favorite game Is always one that doesn't work on Linux /s

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[-] wildlyfist@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Many games still a pain in the arse to boot, even on Bottles.

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[-] Yttra@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

HDR isn't all that great for gaming yet, in my opinion. It takes too much tweaking just to get it working, because apparently games/proton still aren't able to natively pass that metadata to Wayland?

Running every applicable game or all of Steam through Gamescope brings its own problems with how it handles the window, so I end up never using it at all. I just want it to be as simple as it is on Windows, man! 😩

Also, VRR seems to make my screen flicker at an unnoticeably-high-but-still-irritating rate at random whenever I alt+tab, never figured that out yet...

Finally, I do wish there was a simpler, more paint.net-like editor rather than GIMP, and I'm sure it's out there somewhere, but otherwise basically every thing on that list of features works well enough for me.

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