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House Democratic lawmakers reportedly used a closed-door meeting earlier this week to vent their frustrations with progressive advocacy groups that have been driving constituent calls and pressuring the party to act like a genuine opposition force in the face of the Trump administration's authoritarian assault on federal agencies and key programs.

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[-] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 21 points 7 hours ago

The Democrats in question would likely say they're upset progressives are getting mad at Democrats as if they have the power to pass bills or do much of anything. Yelling "do something" isn't helping when your party doesn't have any power.

Ironically the most power Democrats have is thanks to the filibuster, which Progressives campaigned against for years.

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[-] Lootboblin@lemmy.world 27 points 8 hours ago

So they are silently just watching when Murica burns to the ground.

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[-] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 11 points 7 hours ago

I'm sure they've already ran the numbers and realized getting power to exploit the people from winning is far less likely than getting it from switching sides.

[-] Draegur@lemm.ee 22 points 7 hours ago

I could swear this shit is like the plot from The Producers. They've monetized their incompetence and realized that they can make more money from losing elections than from winning. They collect billions in donations from desperate people and then launder it, squandering it on ineffectual "vote blue" spam while awarding lucrative no bid consultancy contracts with friendly party aristocracy insiders for massive kick backs and "speaking fees".

Kamala "I'm Speaking" Harris never intended to do anything OTHER than speaking. Seems the democrat establishment doesn't want any of us remembering that TALK IS CHEAP.

[-] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 hours ago

LOL it does seem eerily similar to the plot of the producers.

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[-] Preflight_Tomato@lemm.ee 38 points 14 hours ago
[-] holdstrong@lemm.ee 2 points 4 hours ago
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[-] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 45 points 16 hours ago

Luckily, if the world survives Trump the Democrats won't matter anymore because America won't matter. The rest of the world was pretty pissed off at the USA before, but still allowed America to keep its leverage because challenging it would be too much effort. Trump, however, is actively destroying that leverage through his trade wars and his cancelling of foreign aid at the same time that he's stripping his own government of its ability to function through his purges.

The only pillar of American influence that Trump isn't destroying directly is the country's media exports, and they were already in the process of collapsing before Trump was re-elected.

You got your high position in the world in the first place due to the fact that you were the only major power left standing after the world wars. Those circumstances won't happen again (well, world wars might, but not ones that leave the USA unscathed.)

[-] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

That's great for the rest of the world, be we still have to deal with this mess somehow.

[-] Doorbook@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Same foreign policy, same bullying strategy, but now they are: 1) public about it, 2) Targeting countries that help them being who they are for the last 70 years.

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[-] Allonzee@lemmy.world 118 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

The US needs a left-wing Party.

This has been half a century of Fascists vs neoliberals, center-right "free to be LGBTQ as you die of poverty in the gutter" vs so far right we're building Concentration camps.

Unfortunately our people have been poorly educated by design as well as brainwashed into believing profit comes before humanity. " Herp derp Anything less is socialism and therefore evil!"

This is only "freedom" for the rich to trample the poor. Freedom without social responsibility is a rampage. We need revolution, revolution that does far more to Wall Street than merely occupy it , or we need to accept living in hell until the capitalists destroy the climate enough to destroy civilization all together.

Don't worry, just a few more decades of the same at most for nature to do what we're failing to. This will end within a human lifespan, the choice is if it will be with or without a habitable planet for Humans.

This isnt the usual ebbs and flows of history, There is a very literal deadline of humanity's own greedy making.

[-] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 17 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Don't worry, just a few more decades of the same at most for nature to do what we're failing to. This will end within a human lifespan, the choice is if it will be with or without a habitable planet for Humans.

That’s the plan. That’s why billionaires are buying up properties in places that are currently too cold and remote for masses of people to want to live there (Montana, Greenland, etc).

They know climate change is real and it is 100% reflected in Homeowners insurance rates in FL and other high risk places. I’m fairly certain that it’s not the leftist types that get into starting insurance companies.

Also, the whole Covid thing… I am pretty sure there was a concerted effort that would cull our numbers a bit.

So yea, we’re all going to die probably — unless you’re rich enough to afford to move to somewhere that will have a more hospitable climate when we cross the 3 degrees Celsius threshold next year.

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[-] onecarmel@lemmy.world 80 points 20 hours ago

Yeah I have completely lost faith in the Democratic Party. Seems like they don’t mind Trump because he benefits their wallet.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago

Democrats biggest donors are wealthy Republicans.

Hakeem Jeffries is one of the biggest sellouts. Him climbing the DNC ladder is a sign that Democrats will do yet another 2016 in 2028.

[-] Doorbook@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

AIPAC as well if trump supporting Israel publicly they will never replace. And if both party turn out to be "end of life" lunatic who want kingdom of Israel then they will never change or push against a President who is pushing for the same goal even though he clearly doesn't believe in anything.

[-] fikran@lemm.ee 4 points 4 hours ago

That's why its important to introduce Israel as a political liability for the Democrats.

Demonstrate that they lose elections because of their support for Israel.

[-] ofcourse@lemmy.ml 131 points 23 hours ago

Progressives need to start their own party. The establishment DNC is so entrenched with big donors and lobbyists that it is unable to serve the people. Their balancing act of appeasing both the right and the left is just serving to alienate everyone because the final policies get so diluted. They have become too stuck in the quagmire of their own doing. I don’t see the DNC being able to change any time soon and through their inaction, will only enable more devastation of the country.

The new Progressive party should align with the DNC as the opposition during this administration but simultaneously run more like minded candidates in the next elections with their own separate fundraising campaigns. That’s the only hope I have for meaningful change to happen.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 45 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

There's a free app called 5 calls. It helps you to call your representative with a script. Progressives need to get on this. I'm aware it's a pain, but the script makes it a lot easier especially when you get an answering machine instead of a person.

[-] jhymesba@lemmy.world 30 points 22 hours ago

The problem is you get the NDP/Liberal vs. Conservative effect when you do this. If you have 30% of the population vote for your Leftie, and 30% vote for the other Leftie, in a given congressional district, the Republican can win with 31%, despite 60% voting against the Republican. We need RCV before we can do this, and people need to understand that they MUST put the other party as choice 2 or we are back to ending up with a Republican.

[-] Saleh@feddit.org 5 points 15 hours ago

I fail to see your point. That sounds like you have a 61 majority for the Republicans. The "Liberals" are aiding the Republicans getting power, as the article points out.

Also the Democrats are a pink washed far right party, by standards outsidr the US.

[-] WarlordSdocy@lemmy.world 22 points 20 hours ago

This is why a new party needs to be built from the ground up, starting with local races that are uncontested or use ranked choice voting already.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 11 points 18 hours ago

If Democrats are so scared of splitting the vote, they don't need to run a candidate. It's not like they're particularly interested in winning anyway.

[-] ofcourse@lemmy.ml 14 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

That is indeed a problem that needs to be resolved, and likely through ranked choice voting. But as a country, we tend to focus too much on the presidential election. Change will have to start in the congressional elections - both at federal and state levels. The issue of votes splitting will be a lesser issue in these elections except in a few large districts. That will also be where smaller fundraising campaigns would go further.

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[-] evenglow@lemmy.world 234 points 1 day ago

"Forcing recorded votes is possible. Frequent quorum calls are possible. A wide variety of dilatory motions are possible. In short, harassing the majority is possible. If they think it's a bad idea, say so. If they say it's not possible, they're lying."

I like how politicians voting is considered a time out. It's their job, jfc.

[-] billiam0202@lemmy.world 112 points 1 day ago

"But if our votes are recorded, our ~~voters~~ corporate donors will know we voted against them!"

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 64 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Right? This is about providing political cover to centrists who take money from the same oligarchs as conservatives. They just want to pretend they are on our side.

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[-] distantsounds@lemmy.world 71 points 22 hours ago


If only the fought as hard as they spam & grift

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 33 points 22 hours ago

It really pisses me off that the ONLY outreach I saw were requests for money. Hundreds of them (many may have been scams, not sure).

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 31 points 21 hours ago

The Democratic Party doesn't get paid to win elections.

It gets paid to run campaigns.

The Republicans have decided that that is unreliable and have simply gone with open corruption.

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[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 169 points 1 day ago
[-] inbeesee@lemmy.world 12 points 18 hours ago

They just want money and plausible deniability. Any one of these Dems can just be bought like a repub

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 37 points 21 hours ago

When they win elections, they refuse to use power to help people, but instead blame Repub obstruction. When they lose they wag fingers, but mostly just go along with Repubs (ie, confirmations) and they FUNDRAISE. Then they use that funding to defeat left dems in primaries.

[-] Laereht@lemmy.world 81 points 1 day ago

So the Republicans can act like an opposition party but they can't? Have they had their heads buried since the beginning of Obama's term? Or is this their snide way of confirming complicity?

[-] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

This should be the eye opener to the left that the DNC is right wing. They let the republicans do whatever they want because they want the same thing. They only pretend not to so they can scam for donations.

The rich want to end democracy. They dont want to stop Muskler.

And almost everyone in Congress and the Senate is rich.

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[-] quicklime@lemm.ee 34 points 23 hours ago

Constituent pressure? How frustrating!

[-] Sergio@slrpnk.net 27 points 22 hours ago
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[-] sxan@midwest.social 32 points 1 day ago

Can we all collectively elect AOC to represent all elected democrats in the House? She'd get, like, 215 votes on every bill.

I know a person can hold only one position at a time; it was just a funny thought.

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[-] deadtom@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago

“There are a lot of good billionaires out there that have been with Democrats, who share our values, and we will take their money. But we’re not taking money from those bad billionaires.” - New DNC head

It's a good thing we can all agree on what the definition of good and bad is, and how its applied in our society right?

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