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submitted 6 days ago by Cat@ponder.cat to c/politics@lemmy.world

House Democratic lawmakers reportedly used a closed-door meeting earlier this week to vent their frustrations with progressive advocacy groups that have been driving constituent calls and pressuring the party to act like a genuine opposition force in the face of the Trump administration's authoritarian assault on federal agencies and key programs.

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[-] BillWigly@kbin.earth 2 points 19 hours ago

bro dems just can't stop bending over and gaping themselves for the conservatives, as if anyone wants them to do that lmao ANYTHING to avoid left wing populism. instead of dominating politics for decades with left wing populism let's just gape ourselves publicly instead

[-] specterspectre@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago

Let me fix your headline "Sitting incumbents too comfortable to do their jobs annoyed that they are being pushed to do their jobs."

[-] Naia 7 points 4 days ago

They are mostly all careerists who focus on who's "turn" it is while they are one foot in the grave. Its a major issue on why we have the current situation.

The fact that hold onto power they are either unwilling or too scared to use is infuriating.

[-] ZombieMantis@lemmy.world 29 points 4 days ago

The party leadership needs to step down.

[-] Toneswirly@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

they never will, they are fat and happy right where they are. Even a fascist gov't is preferrable to giving up access to wealth and influence they enjoy right now. I'd say much more likely is a workers party gaining popularity but that kind of pro-worker party is gonna have a hard time receiving the financial backing the dems and repubs get.

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 40 points 4 days ago

Now I'm not saying that the Republican Party is a blatantly fascistic organization designed to re-concentrate all wealth and power into the hands of an aging white billionaire elite afraid of losing their power and want to "scorch the Earth" in revenge for the fact that they and their very specific view of "how things should be" can not last forever

And that the Democrats are not only complacent, but are actively in on the plan and intentionally aiding this grift by pretending to be an alternative choice of leadership that seeks to prevent this from happening, and doing the bare minimum to keep up that illusion to prevent real opposition from showing up.

Part of that plan is to get people to join up with the Democratic Party to resist the Republicans and steer them away from or at least discourage them from doing anything that would actually stop the Great Ominous Plan....

The reason this is so effective is because due to the way America's Electoral System is, anything outside of the R's or D's is entirely unelectable no matter how many people vote.

Though this also means that if the Democrats ever lost control of their party to people who actually want to do something, it would threaten to destroy the Republican Party, and prevent anything like it from rearing its ugly head again. As it would become as demonized as the Nazi Party is in Germany.

But let's just say that that was exactly the case....

What would the D's and R's be doing differently?

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[-] skaarl@feddit.nl 32 points 4 days ago

a closed-door meeting earlier this week to vent their frustrations with progressive advocacy groups

This tracks.

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[-] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 61 points 5 days ago

The headline almost reads like an Onion article.

[-] RangerJosey@lemmy.ml 20 points 5 days ago

Most of them do nowadays.

[-] evenglow@lemmy.world 252 points 6 days ago

"Forcing recorded votes is possible. Frequent quorum calls are possible. A wide variety of dilatory motions are possible. In short, harassing the majority is possible. If they think it's a bad idea, say so. If they say it's not possible, they're lying."

I like how politicians voting is considered a time out. It's their job, jfc.

[-] billiam0202@lemmy.world 125 points 6 days ago

"But if our votes are recorded, our ~~voters~~ corporate donors will know we voted against them!"

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 71 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Right? This is about providing political cover to centrists who take money from the same oligarchs as conservatives. They just want to pretend they are on our side.

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[-] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 40 points 5 days ago

The party is functionally dead. If they don’t come out with absolute opposition we will be stuck with a single party for the rest of our lives.

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[-] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 185 points 6 days ago
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[-] Allonzee@lemmy.world 132 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The US needs a left-wing Party.

This has been half a century of Fascists vs neoliberals, center-right "free to be LGBTQ as you die of poverty in the gutter" vs so far right we're building Concentration camps.

Unfortunately our people have been poorly educated by design as well as brainwashed into believing profit comes before humanity. " Herp derp Anything less is socialism and therefore evil!"

This is only "freedom" for the rich to trample the poor. Freedom without social responsibility is a rampage. We need revolution, revolution that does far more to Wall Street than merely occupy it , or we need to accept living in hell until the capitalists destroy the climate enough to destroy civilization all together.

Don't worry, just a few more decades of the same at most for nature to do what we're failing to. This will end within a human lifespan, the choice is if it will be with or without a habitable planet for Humans.

This isnt the usual ebbs and flows of history, There is a very literal deadline of humanity's own greedy making.

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[-] Draegur@lemm.ee 54 points 5 days ago

Better get fucking used to it bluedogs.

[-] ameancow@lemmy.world 47 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

We need a Democratic Tea Party movement very badly.

Unfortunately, I already know the people who would lead it would also never get past making the rules of who's included, what kind of tea we'll be using, and if it's ethically sourced, and if any members have any problematic tweets in their past, what particular brand of socialism everyone subscribes to, and of course, what we're actually demanding from the government.

Say what you want about the right, but their superficial, Ork-like focus on goals gets them moving. Too bad those goals are usually things like "Vote against our best interests as much as humanly possible."

edit: I love that half the comments below are people disagreeing about how we would organize it and what we would want and who we would include. I both despair and celebrate that I'm not someone who can just hear a single word like "woke" and just laser-focus on uniting with literal crocodiles to take it down. Identify our weaknesses people, stop trying to be smarter than the problem. The problem is stupid simple, we have wealthy elite stealing our lives and futures away and the right is enabling them. Full stop, we should be fucking marching locked-arm with people whom we've been told to abhor to fix this. Imagine if people became scared to associate with billionaires. Imagine if we all did something.

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[-] ofcourse@lemmy.ml 139 points 6 days ago

Progressives need to start their own party. The establishment DNC is so entrenched with big donors and lobbyists that it is unable to serve the people. Their balancing act of appeasing both the right and the left is just serving to alienate everyone because the final policies get so diluted. They have become too stuck in the quagmire of their own doing. I don’t see the DNC being able to change any time soon and through their inaction, will only enable more devastation of the country.

The new Progressive party should align with the DNC as the opposition during this administration but simultaneously run more like minded candidates in the next elections with their own separate fundraising campaigns. That’s the only hope I have for meaningful change to happen.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 49 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

There's a free app called 5 calls. It helps you to call your representative with a script. Progressives need to get on this. I'm aware it's a pain, but the script makes it a lot easier especially when you get an answering machine instead of a person.

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[-] onecarmel@lemmy.world 86 points 5 days ago

Yeah I have completely lost faith in the Democratic Party. Seems like they don’t mind Trump because he benefits their wallet.

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[-] yarr@feddit.nl 11 points 4 days ago

Hey Democrats, why don't you form another couple of committees and release some weak statements condemning the other side while doing fuck-all. Clearly, it's gotten you this far, so why not just keep treading that same old road? It's frustrating to see the Democrats get beaten over the head again and again and learning the wrong lesson. FUCKING DO SOMETHING.

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[-] btaf45@lemmy.world 27 points 5 days ago

If certain Dems aren't going to do anything constructive, then they need to get out of the damn way and put people like AOC in charge.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 33 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I am only donating to AOC until she and her fellow progressives gain a larger voice in the direction of the party. I've unsubbed from a lot of Democratic lists, too.

I advise all to do the same (as she can allocate these money to elsewhere if she wishes), while also contacting the DNC at https://democrats.org/

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[-] anonymous_in_atl@ani.social 32 points 5 days ago

If they're so pissed about it, the progressives should just pack up and form a new party or join the WFP

[-] Donkter@lemmy.world 29 points 5 days ago

Yeah it's a clever lie that's perpetuated that says progressives have no where to go if they try to break from the Democrats. But secretly a more progressive platform would actually draw over a lot of disaffected libertarians and lite conservatives who only vote conservative because they've been convinced that they should only vote in opposition to Democrats instead of in favor of anything.

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[-] distantsounds@lemmy.world 74 points 6 days ago


If only the fought as hard as they spam & grift

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[-] Laereht@lemmy.world 87 points 6 days ago

So the Republicans can act like an opposition party but they can't? Have they had their heads buried since the beginning of Obama's term? Or is this their snide way of confirming complicity?

The rich want to end democracy. They dont want to stop Muskler.

And almost everyone in Congress and the Senate is rich.

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[-] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 9 points 4 days ago

Fucking shit heads. I hope they [redacted].

[-] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 51 points 5 days ago

Luckily, if the world survives Trump the Democrats won't matter anymore because America won't matter. The rest of the world was pretty pissed off at the USA before, but still allowed America to keep its leverage because challenging it would be too much effort. Trump, however, is actively destroying that leverage through his trade wars and his cancelling of foreign aid at the same time that he's stripping his own government of its ability to function through his purges.

The only pillar of American influence that Trump isn't destroying directly is the country's media exports, and they were already in the process of collapsing before Trump was re-elected.

You got your high position in the world in the first place due to the fact that you were the only major power left standing after the world wars. Those circumstances won't happen again (well, world wars might, but not ones that leave the USA unscathed.)

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[-] Lootboblin@lemmy.world 34 points 5 days ago

So they are silently just watching when Murica burns to the ground.

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[-] Preflight_Tomato@lemm.ee 42 points 5 days ago
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[-] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 24 points 5 days ago

The Democrats in question would likely say they're upset progressives are getting mad at Democrats as if they have the power to pass bills or do much of anything. Yelling "do something" isn't helping when your party doesn't have any power.

Ironically the most power Democrats have is thanks to the filibuster, which Progressives campaigned against for years.

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 32 points 5 days ago

When the R’s are in a minority they seem to block everything just fine though…

[-] petrol_sniff_king 22 points 5 days ago

Maybe if they can't do anything, these useless fucks should all resign and retire. Clearly, it wouldn't make one difference.

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[-] fikran@lemm.ee 20 points 5 days ago

I voted 3rd party in the election in a swing state and would do it again today.

The Democrats need to internalize the political cost of supporting Israel. If they want to win, they have to drop Israel.

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