The headline almost reads like an Onion article.
Most of them do nowadays.
I voted 3rd party in the election in a swing state and would do it again today.
The Democrats need to internalize the political cost of supporting Israel. If they want to win, they have to drop Israel.
Are you happy with the current administration's Israel policy though?
The voted third party so I imagine not.
Except unless they had been lobotomized, they knew damn well that their vote was being thrown away and that Trump would be the likely winner.
Which is tact approval of Trump and everything that came with it.
I don’t think that is a lesson to take away here
A party with more support for Israel won so if that was the issue then it seems they didn’t support Israel enough
it seems they didn’t support Israel enough
Seeing as centrists dems cant win without the left I dont think your point matters. The left isnt about to make any deals that include genocide, period. Not hard genocide, not diet-genocide. Harris could have won by breaking from Biden and calling Bidens actions genocide, but she refused to and she lost the voters. And if the next dem does the same they will lose the same. Its really that simple. And yes, the people that left their ballot blank or voted third party will do the exact same thing again, even as Trump burns the country down.
If we have to burn a country to the ground with murderous war crime enabling policies, our system does not deserve to exist either.
America’s far left are centrists
Your point of burning the system to the ground i can get behind but your proposal of doing that by letting fascists decide how to rebuild it instead of using violence (if you’re a terrorist) or public protests (if you’re a pacifist) is not something I would suggest
If they're so pissed about it, the progressives should just pack up and form a new party or join the WFP
Yeah it's a clever lie that's perpetuated that says progressives have no where to go if they try to break from the Democrats. But secretly a more progressive platform would actually draw over a lot of disaffected libertarians and lite conservatives who only vote conservative because they've been convinced that they should only vote in opposition to Democrats instead of in favor of anything.
It's not a lie when one party is fascist. Trying to split just ensures Nazi rule like IT JUST FICKING DID
from my experience with some libertarian 2a people I'd agree with this. I was surprised how indifferent (good) they were about minorities and trans people considering how they vote. honestly having a pro-drug, pro-gun* platform would win a huge chunk of them. and both of those would also be good for oppressed minorities (imo).
actually sitting here thinking about it do we have any figures on how much tax money gets pumped into prison systems that rely on drug enforcement to fill? not to mention the military industrial complex. cuz I know leftists like to riff on libertarians about "I don't understand how taxes work" but there's a lot of tax money going to things I don't agree with either.
*more like "sex positive" in the sense of education and safety and not shaming people who partake. not whatever the NRA is doing.
I mean, lots of "libertarians" are frothing at the mouth to defund our military but agree that the government should at least subsidize healthcare and education with some of those funds. The terms we have are loosey-goosey and most people are incoherent policy to policy. We've just been sorted into groups by a century of two-party propaganda.
Better get fucking used to it bluedogs.
We need a Democratic Tea Party movement very badly.
Unfortunately, I already know the people who would lead it would also never get past making the rules of who's included, what kind of tea we'll be using, and if it's ethically sourced, and if any members have any problematic tweets in their past, what particular brand of socialism everyone subscribes to, and of course, what we're actually demanding from the government.
Say what you want about the right, but their superficial, Ork-like focus on goals gets them moving. Too bad those goals are usually things like "Vote against our best interests as much as humanly possible."
I dont think we want to brand off anything related to tea. Lets call it the people's party.
Nah that name gives off Democratic People's Republic of Korea/People's Republic of China vibes.
I am only donating to AOC until she and her fellow progressives gain a larger voice in the direction of the party. I've unsubbed from a lot of Democratic lists, too.
I advise all to do the same (as she can allocate these money to elsewhere if she wishes), while also contacting the DNC at https://democrats.org/
Here's a thought instead of blowing your money supporting candidates that already have access to massive amounts of cash, donate it to the Trevor project, planned parenthood or literally any nonprofit.
OR here's a thought — now hear me out — you don't because those charitable donations are a treatment of a symptomatic issue reflective of failed government policy to begin with. So if you really want to address the root cause and actually reshape the party from a top-down approach, then I encourage you follow my strategy.
Or you know, you can donate to both.
The Democrats in question would likely say they're upset progressives are getting mad at Democrats as if they have the power to pass bills or do much of anything. Yelling "do something" isn't helping when your party doesn't have any power.
Ironically the most power Democrats have is thanks to the filibuster, which Progressives campaigned against for years.
Yelling “do something” isn’t helping when your party doesn’t have any power.
it didnt help when the dems had power either. Theres zero correlation between what voters want and what our politicians do, even in our own party.
As to your second point:
the filibuster, which Progressives campaigned against for years.
All it takes to remove the fillibuster is a simple majority vote in the senate. Its not the shield you think it is. Its used to enable a minority party to block legislation, and the majority to let them do it while pretending to be stymied. It was used to block so many good pieces of legislation that had majority support. You think the republicans will keep that going? I doubt it.
When the R’s are in a minority they seem to block everything just fine though…
Maybe if they can't do anything, these useless fucks should all resign and retire. Clearly, it wouldn't make one difference.
And have new people with new ideas? Never! That's why Clinton and Harris won, old ideas work in new times!
Do nothing even though the conservatives and rich tech companies are taking over the federal government!
They have millions, they can do many things to make conservatives work harder every single time, they can run protest, they can amplifiy their voices behind one leader, they can do alot of things....
Vichy-Democrats.
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