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During negotiations with the DNC and the Harris campaign, we were repeatedly told by interlocutors that Harris couldn’t meet any of our basic requests (a policy shift from Biden, a Palestinian speaker at the DNC, a statement distinguishing herself from Trump on Israel, or even a meeting with Michigan families who lost loved ones to Israeli bombs) because of AIPAC-aligned politicians like Fetterman, who might take to TV, rile up suburban white and Jewish voters, and fracture the party’s coalition in a swing state.

That political calculus alienated a key voting bloc, although likely not large enough to have shifted the ultimate election outcomes, that should be part of a durable Democratic majority. But few will ever be held accountable for that choice.

A Fetterman staffer condemning Uncommitted for not advocating for Palestinians 'the right way' is like an arsonist scolding the fire department for using the wrong hose.

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[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

This was my thoughts all along. By condemning the genocide they would have lost more votes than gained. It sucks that politicians have to choose votes over morality (the ones that actually have morality). The system is definitely broken.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 26 minutes ago

DNC loyalists keep saying this, and it continues to be pure cope. The Biden admin did not begrudgingly support the genocide (or, as you euphemistically put it "fail to condemn") because of some realpolitik consideration - though it would still be unforgivable if they had - they actively supported it because it was an administration filled with rabid Zionists at the highest level, and they enthusiastically agree with Israel. The fact that they couched it in vague, non-committal platitudes rather than being blunt about their fanatical zionism WAS the concession to realpolitik. Notice that Bill Clinton - who is at a point in his life where he doesn't care that much about political appearances - spoke on behalf of the Harris campaign, he didn't bother to sugar coat their complete agreement with the most extremist brand of fascist Zionism.

The actual example of the amoral voter placating position is what Trump ended up taking: still ultimately supporting the overall settler colonial project of Israel, but forcibly pulling on the leash of the more viscerally bloodthirsty elements like Netanyahu, and making them keep the carnage at the more publicly acceptable levels they were at pre October 7th.

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago

It's time to let go of blame for Trump election, even if DNC is not the right solution. It's not voters to blame. Both voter suppression, and provisional ballot shenanigans are enough to account for electoral college victory. That groups who failed to turn out, oppose Trump now, is more important than yelling at them.

[-] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

I blame the voters who just flat out couldn't be bothered. If they'd all showed and at least voted 3rd party on the president, at least the fascist wouldn't have control of Congress.

I blame Dems for shitting on everything so hard that people made the choice to not show up.

Non-voters can't fix what they've done, protest voters can't change what's happened. The Dems can absolutely still fix their party. There's only one group who deserves our ire in this moment.

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 45 points 2 days ago

Imagine supporting genocide in order to win, but then losing anyway.

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago

DNC successfully elected the best guy for genocide. They still collected a fair bit of money. Is that a loss?

[-] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Everyone always loses with Drump. Always have, always will.

[-] meowmeowbeanz@sh.itjust.works 46 points 2 days ago

Ah yes, the DNC’s ”strategy”—alienate everybody who isn’t a suburban wine mom or AIPAC donor. Brilliant. Why bother with Michigan families mourning Israeli airstrikes when you can pander to Fetterman’s Fox News cosplay?

Harris couldn’t even fake it. No Palestinian speaker, no policy shift, no spine. Just the same ”don’t rock the boat” calculus that’s sinking their coalition faster than a lead balloon in Lake Michigan.

Here’s the kicker: they’ll blame voters for staying home instead of owning their cowardice. Meanwhile, Uncommitted gets torched for not advocating ”the right way”—as if there’s a polite way to demand basic humanity. Spoiler: there isn’t.

Democrats didn’t just lose—they fumbled their soul.

[-] cashsky@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 days ago

Harris campaign: why aren't you embracing our flavor of fascism, the flavor of warhawks like Cheney and genocide?

[-] batmaniam@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

As someone who lived through Cheny, you're not wrong. But the present is so much worse. I'm sorry there was no alterative, I truly am. But there wasn't.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

It's because of people like Cheney that the present is worse.

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[-] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The biggest group that stayed home after voting dem in 2020 were older white men/women and hispanic men

The protest votes were a non factor in comparison

The media blew this out of proportion to make leftists infight

[-] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

"Leftists?" None of us are infighting as far as I know. Did you mean "Liberals?"

[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Leftists are always infighting, but not about DNC ghouls

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[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 53 points 3 days ago

From a pure political science perspective, if the Democrats were a real party they would either purge themselves of Zionists or purge themselves of anti-Zionists. This coalition is objectively impossible to sustain and will make them lose any time Israel is bombing.

[-] btaf45@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

if the Democrats were a real party they would either purge themselves of Zionists or purge themselves of anti-Zionists.

Nope. They should instead purge themselves of all identity politics to the maximum extent possible and focus on the real problem of wealth inequality, like Bernie Sanders says.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 51 points 2 days ago

It is starting to come out that the Democrats blatantly censored voter concerns for the genocide during the campaign. And lied about them not existing.

A Harris organizer who worked on youth turnout said that senior campaign officials gave them an order: When they sent out mass volunteer or fundraising emails and people replied by asking about Gaza, they were told to mark it as “no response.” The result? They seldom ended up engaging with voters on that issue.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/uncommitted-leaders-stand-2024-strategy-trump-floats-gaza-takeover-rcna190782

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