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During negotiations with the DNC and the Harris campaign, we were repeatedly told by interlocutors that Harris couldn’t meet any of our basic requests (a policy shift from Biden, a Palestinian speaker at the DNC, a statement distinguishing herself from Trump on Israel, or even a meeting with Michigan families who lost loved ones to Israeli bombs) because of AIPAC-aligned politicians like Fetterman, who might take to TV, rile up suburban white and Jewish voters, and fracture the party’s coalition in a swing state.

That political calculus alienated a key voting bloc, although likely not large enough to have shifted the ultimate election outcomes, that should be part of a durable Democratic majority. But few will ever be held accountable for that choice.

A Fetterman staffer condemning Uncommitted for not advocating for Palestinians 'the right way' is like an arsonist scolding the fire department for using the wrong hose.

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[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 hours ago

It's time to let go of blame for Trump election, even if DNC is not the right solution. It's not voters to blame. Both voter suppression, and provisional ballot shenanigans are enough to account for electoral college victory. That groups who failed to turn out, oppose Trump now, is more important than yelling at them.

[-] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 15 points 10 hours ago

I blame the voters who just flat out couldn't be bothered. If they'd all showed and at least voted 3rd party on the president, at least the fascist wouldn't have control of Congress.

I blame Dems for shitting on everything so hard that people made the choice to not show up.

Non-voters can't fix what they've done, protest voters can't change what's happened. The Dems can absolutely still fix their party. There's only one group who deserves our ire in this moment.

[-] socialmedia@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago

That is what the right wants you to do. Find anyone to blame but them.

There was a huge propaganda campaign started specifically to get the centrists and undecideds to stay home.

Every election is going to be a repeat of this. Facebook, TV, YouTube, anyone who can push content is going to forever say both sides are bad. And people will listen to them no matter how educated they are because propaganda works.

Watch for it because they'll probably do it again: A conflict that America is only peripherally responsible for and cannot stop, being pushed as the number one issue in the next elections.

The people who say Kamala ignored their issue? You vote down ticket for democrats and push those people to support your issue. This in turn pressures the president to support your issue.

The democrats definitely will not help. They'll produce 6 unlikeable candidates and say, "well.. These are the only people who could possibly be our president. Also the primary is pointless because of superdelegates and split voting so we'll just go ahead and pick this one before 50% of the nation has even voted."

Shit.. Sorry, I can't stay on topic because I'm impossibly cynical at this point. I'm still voting democrat because I refuse to sit out or actively support fascism, but I'm heartbroken over the situation we're in.

[-] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 39 points 22 hours ago

Imagine supporting genocide in order to win, but then losing anyway.

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 hours ago

DNC successfully elected the best guy for genocide. They still collected a fair bit of money. Is that a loss?

[-] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago

Everyone always loses with Drump. Always have, always will.

[-] meowmeowbeanz@sh.itjust.works 42 points 1 day ago

Ah yes, the DNC’s ”strategy”—alienate everybody who isn’t a suburban wine mom or AIPAC donor. Brilliant. Why bother with Michigan families mourning Israeli airstrikes when you can pander to Fetterman’s Fox News cosplay?

Harris couldn’t even fake it. No Palestinian speaker, no policy shift, no spine. Just the same ”don’t rock the boat” calculus that’s sinking their coalition faster than a lead balloon in Lake Michigan.

Here’s the kicker: they’ll blame voters for staying home instead of owning their cowardice. Meanwhile, Uncommitted gets torched for not advocating ”the right way”—as if there’s a polite way to demand basic humanity. Spoiler: there isn’t.

Democrats didn’t just lose—they fumbled their soul.

[-] cashsky@sh.itjust.works 17 points 18 hours ago

Harris campaign: why aren't you embracing our flavor of fascism, the flavor of warhawks like Cheney and genocide?

[-] batmaniam@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

As someone who lived through Cheny, you're not wrong. But the present is so much worse. I'm sorry there was no alterative, I truly am. But there wasn't.

[-] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The biggest group that stayed home after voting dem in 2020 were older white men/women and hispanic men

The protest votes were a non factor in comparison

The media blew this out of proportion to make leftists infight

[-] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 17 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

"Leftists?" None of us are infighting as far as I know. Did you mean "Liberals?"

[-] btaf45@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

The leftist spectrum includes liberals, ultraliberals, and radicals. You are trying to redefine the word "leftist" to mean "radical" because the word "radical" sounds bad to many people. Radicals should just own the word "radical" but are too afraid too.

The very same problem occurs on the rightist spectrum of conservatives, archconservatives, and reactionaries. Reactionaries don't want to be called that because it sounds bad so they always pretend to be "conservatives" even though there is a clear difference in the definitions.

[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 16 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Leftists are always infighting, but not about DNC ghouls

[-] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

This post literally exists to make people mad at protesters who didn't effect the election in any way now that the data is out and we can LOOK WHAT HAPPENED.

But that doesn't matter here I guess, reality doesn't matter when there's straw men to seethe at

[-] Jentu@lemmy.ml 10 points 12 hours ago

Liberals getting angry at leftist isn't infighting, it's just regular fighting.

[-] btaf45@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Since the "leftist" spectrum includes liberals, ultraliberals, and radicals, yes it is "infighting" among leftist groups.

[-] Jentu@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 hours ago

Leftists are anti-capitalist. Liberals support capitalism. Republicans and Democrats have more in common than liberals and leftists. Would you call a debate between trump and biden infighting?

[-] rational_lib@lemmy.world 9 points 23 hours ago

Fetterman won his nomination when his brain was still functioning. If you don't like him, primary him. It would probably work.

[-] banshee@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

For the record, I've never seen anyone on Lemmy defend the DNC. We all know they screwed up. We also know that Trump is by far the greater evil.

I'm also angry that we now suffer the consequences and would have been delighted had Trump lost the election.

[-] TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

Go over to the Midwest instance and be annoyed

[-] banshee@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Not a fan of diversity or inclusion?

[-] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 15 points 18 hours ago

I have seen a lot of people blame "the voters" or people who didn't vote or whatever, and that is often to a degree which implicitly absolves the DNC for their role in alternating them. Can't really have it both ways.

[-] banshee@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

I don't really follow this logic. We can blame the DNC for several things: ignoring constituents, skipping primaries, etc. We can blame voters for letting Trump back into office.

I think this is consistent with the banal statement of two things can be wrong at the same time.

[-] WarlordSdocy@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago

The problem is a lot of people on Lemmy focus on blaming the voters first and don't really connect that issue with the DNC's failures. A lot of voters didn't come out to vote because of how bad Kamala and the DNC were in this election. So focusing on blaming voters is just focusing on the outcome rather than focusing on the actual cause of the issue. You can focus on both issues but if your solution is that voters are bad and need to be shamed rather then the DNC needs to improve they're not gonna win any elections unless they get lucky again like they did in 2020 with covid and how unpopular Trump was then.

[-] banshee@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

I think it's silly to focus on just the DNC or the voters. They're both to blame, and voter suppression exacerbated the problem substantially.

[-] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Generically, two things can be wrong at the same time, sure, but here the two things aren't independent. If we "can blame the DNC for several things: ignoring constituents, skipping primaries, etc." then we are saying that that is the cause of people not voting for them, which is how trump got reelected.

[-] banshee@lemmy.world 0 points 7 hours ago

The two are related, but I don't think they are interchangable. There are plenty of issues with the DNC. Voters are still responsible for making an educated decision.

I'm angry with both.

[-] loudiamond@lemm.ee 16 points 1 day ago

Just like on Reddit, they mostly shit on the voters, which is disgusting imo

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 51 points 1 day ago

From a pure political science perspective, if the Democrats were a real party they would either purge themselves of Zionists or purge themselves of anti-Zionists. This coalition is objectively impossible to sustain and will make them lose any time Israel is bombing.

[-] btaf45@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

if the Democrats were a real party they would either purge themselves of Zionists or purge themselves of anti-Zionists.

Nope. They should instead purge themselves of all identity politics to the maximum extent possible and focus on the real problem of wealth inequality, like Bernie Sanders says.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 51 points 1 day ago

It is starting to come out that the Democrats blatantly censored voter concerns for the genocide during the campaign. And lied about them not existing.

A Harris organizer who worked on youth turnout said that senior campaign officials gave them an order: When they sent out mass volunteer or fundraising emails and people replied by asking about Gaza, they were told to mark it as “no response.” The result? They seldom ended up engaging with voters on that issue.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/uncommitted-leaders-stand-2024-strategy-trump-floats-gaza-takeover-rcna190782

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 day ago

i wish this information did more good; since the democrats are doing their damnedest to ignore it while the media is pretending it never happened.

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