I'll put this right here:
"If 50,000 Palestinians dead under the rubble isn't enough to sway me from Democratic Party, I don't know what is," Afarajalla said.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/arab-american-voters-trump-dearborn-michigan-israel-biden-harris/
If only the nation were awash with guns, to secure the union, or something.
You're talkin' bout me. Yeah, I was pretty impressed when Trump got a cease-fire so quickly. Thought he might actually be better in this respect than Harris. Sadly I was wrong -- I'll admit that.
What are the chances Republicans were pressuring Netanyahu to delay a ceasefire until after the election, like they did in the Iran hostage crisis?
Zero. Biden could force a ceasefire if he wanted to; Trump couldn't force him not to. And Carter didn't provide Iran with tens of billions in arms, so it's not a good comparison.
Good. Ceasefire was just a cover to ramp up the cleansing in the West Bank though. He’s worse on all fronts.
Less Palestinians are dying, less bombs are being dropped, people are returning to Northern Gaza, which was ethnically cleansed under Biden, but you don't actually care about what happens to Palestinians, you just care that it's the red team doing it not the blue
Less Palestinians are dying, less bombs are being dropped, people are returning to Northern Gaza
What planet are you on, have you read the OP?
Literally this one. I know you were in full on genocide denial mode when Biden was in, but those are the facts
It's objectively not worse, you just care more about hating Trump than you do Palestinian lives.
So far Trump has been objectively better on Gaza than Biden was. The fact that BlueMAGA liberals are actually acknowledging and condemning the USA governments genocidal actions now, rather than denying and defending them like they did under Biden, is just icing on the cake.
Calling for ethnic cleansing is better?
As ever, BlueMAGA libs care more about what politicians say than what they do.
Bold of you to accuse people of being MAGA while actively praising Trump.
And you criticize calling for ethnic cleansing while actively praising the people who actually did ethnic cleansing.
Other people in the thread have listed the concrete actions Trump has taken abandoning all pressure Biden put on Israel.
Biden didn't put any pressure on Israel. In fact, Trump has already put more on when he secured a ceasefire.
There was a previous ceasefire while Biden was in office
Genocide denier.
and the current one was made under a framework created by the Biden administration.
If by "created by the Biden administration" you mean it was the same one that Biden didn't bother to force Israel to accept, then yes.
Do you honestly believe things would have gone better had Trump been in office for the entire war?
Given that Trump was willing to actually pull lightly on Bibis leash, yes.
As an aside, what's your opinion on the war in Ukraine?
I'm opposed to it. Now stay on topic.
I'm just suspicious because your use of MAGA as an insult while praising Donald Trump is so absurdly inconsistent it looks like deliberate dishonesty.
Still coping I see.
Most of the people roasting you here aren’t liberals. They’re anarchists, socialists, actual leftists that have always condemned the harm the US is causing. Just not dumbasses.
You sound just as dumb as the MAGAts calling people woke.
Bullshit, if you care more about Orange Man Bad than the well being of Palestinians, you are not a fucking leftist.
The well being of the Palestinians hinged on the unhingedness of bad orange man.
Yeah, and so far he's been less unhinged than the Democrats you supported.
Trump reversed Biden's economic sanctions on Israeli occupiers in illegal settlement.
Trump reversed Biden's withholding of shipments of 2000 lb bombs.
Trump is now saying instead of a 2 state solution that all Palestinians should be forcibly removed from Gaza, and that the US should own it.
Trump is further declining to assert that no US troops would be involved in the forcible removal of Palestinians from their land.
In what fucking lunatic universe is any of this better for Palestinians?
the universe where they're not being genocided by people who keep saying that they wish they could stop arming the genocide but won't because of the feels.
Notice how you only care about symbolic gestures and rhetoric, rather than things that actually matter like number of dead and displaced.
It's a good reminder that BlueMAGA liberals don't actually think of Palestine as a real place or Palestinians as real people. You care more about what your politicians say about it than what they do.
No I care that Trump is giving Israel more weapons, more money, open approval for genocide, and now floating US troops doing the genocide directly instead of humanitarian aid and logistics. But you haven't let reality influence so far so I don't expect it to now either.
No I care that Trump is giving Israel more weapons, more money, open approval for genocide,
Nah, no you don't, as evidenced by the fact that you don't care about the people actually being killed. You only care about the symbolic factor.
floating US troops doing the genocide directly instead of humanitarian aid and logistics.
Yeah, exactly: you care more about what your politicians say than what they do.
But you haven’t let reality influence so far so I don’t expect it to now either.
This is very rich coming from someone who thinks a politicians rhetoric is more real than the actual facts on the ground in Gaza.
"calls for ethnic cleansing"
consistently better
Amazing
You must be from a fascinating alternate reality where the sky is red and fire makes things cold and people wear hats on their feet
It's very revealing of their mindset that BlueMAGA liberals consider Trump calling for ethnic cleansing to be worse that Democrats actually doing ethnic cleansing. Though, of course, to you people, foreigners aren't human and Palestine isn't a real place, so it's all just talk to you.
People usually do the thing they're saying they're going to do, you know.
Especially when they have the power to do it.
Yes, famously Trump has never said he'd do something and not done it, lol.
Though that's beside the point anyway, we are talking about now, and the things that Trump and Biden have actually done, not things that haven't happened.
Though, of course, BlueMAGA liberals think Palestine is a fictional place, so to you, none of these things have happened.
My sibling in Satan I'm not even american, in fact I'm hoping your cancer of a fucking country fucking ends itself in the next decade.
But in the meantime saying the guy who is currently in the process of finishing the job of displacing and killing millions has "actually done a lot better in the now" is
... You're either trolling or really REALLY fucking stupid.
Either way there is no point in talking to you.
My sibling in Satan I’m not even american
That just makes you being a BlueMAGA fanatic even more embarrassing.
in fact I’m hoping your cancer of a fucking country fucking ends itself in the next decade.
I'm not American, but if that's how you feel, Trump is certainly making your dream more likely to become reality.
But in the meantime saying the guy who is currently in the process of finishing the job of displacing and killing millions has “actually done a lot better in the now” is You’re either trolling or really REALLY fucking stupid.
Less people are dying by far now than they were under Biden, and the people who were ethnically cleansed from Northern Gaza are returning thanks to Trump's ceasefire. These are objective realities.
But of course, you care far more about what Trump says than what the Democrats do. Because Palestinians aren't real to you, it's all just a television show.
Oh man, to be a voter who didn't vote for Harris because she didn't go to war with Israel must feel great rn.
A choice between a slow genocide and a fast genocide is no choice at all.
I would feel like Trump coming out and being honest with his intentions is not worse than the Democrats sending Matt Miller out to lie through his smirking teeth. I would also feel that it's good that liberals are actually opposing the USs actions in Gaza now, rather than denying and defending them under Biden. Oh, and I would be happy that Trump actually ordered a ceasefire, something the Democrats were unwilling to do.
Well, i guess as long as they're honest about it, its fine.
It's more than the Democrats could manage.
So it was a good choice then.
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