ELMO will surely sue the French customer for it.
Wait for it.
Yes, that’s it. Drag the French masses into this situation. I like the cut of their gibs.
Signed, random American.
The interesting part of the story is not so much that Tesla is losing -- it's who is winning. Electric vehicles are in MASSIVE demand throughout the world. The USA has responded more or less by putting an iron curtain in place against BETTER electric vehicles produced elsewhere. Sure, our governments use some scary words around Chinese imports, but look at their cars in isolation, especially BYD. By almost any metric you can imagine, BYD products are superior. The USA is temporarily putting their head in the sand about China. However, make no mistake, in other markets where there is FAIR competition, America's lunch is getting eaten. This cannot go on forever. Hopefully our US auto producers get their heads out of their ass and start competing instead of relying on tariffs to level the playing field. Tarriffs can make Tesla competitive domestically, but if you want to dominate the world, this is almost certainly not the way forward.
And they haven't even slapped a bunch of tit-for-tat tariffs on them yet.
The EU has so many much better EV makers it is crazy. Siemens, Altsom, CAF or Talgo are superior in every way.
Are you expecting someone to say "I never heard of those" so you can share some gem of niche industry knowledge with us?
Sigh. Alright. "I never heard of those".
Those are all train manufacturers.
Oh, right, so we are all very dumb for not recognizing that and also op is very enlightened because he has already arrived at the conclusion that public transport is the only valid form of transportation while the rest of us still thinks that electrically driven automobiles (*snort*) might be anything of value.
Alright, imma head over to the designated corner of shame, see you guys over there.
Hint: None of those companies make electric vehicles.
What do you mean? Trains are vehicles.
Sure, but that’s not relevant. Unless you’re suggesting that people buying a train is a better idea than buying a Tesla.
I think they were suggesting that in Europe there's a way best passenger train network and it's possible to live without a car.
I guess that makes sense.
Give me a break.
Hate on Musk all you're pleased, I'll join you. But I can't deny how much better tesla was vs every other brand I've test driven (Ford, Kia, Polestar mg etc). Their software is unmatched unfortunately. Until we get another brand do this shit right, tesla will be the top car. EV is only as good as its software. Most other brands are half a decade behind.
Again, if you have experience and disagree? I'm happy to discuss! I'd love to hear about your experience with brands I haven't tested. But 90% of comments here likely never driven Tesla and are just spewing bullshit because they dislike Musk. It's fine not to buy a car because of it, but trying to mental gymnastics into the car being bad makes people look like complete idiots.
I'm sure there will be smart asses here talking about quality control or software recalls, so what? Sell so many of anything and you'll have bad apples. You think other brands haven't got those?
Tesla cars are a mixed bag (for Europeans, at least).
The software is good (although it got worse, many things now require multiple touches, which is really bad when driving), and it is better than every other brand I know.
But a lot of other aspects are suboptimal. E.g. the insulation is sub-par, resulting in more noise. The assistance systems are really bad, the car tried to kill me multiple times on the Autobahn. The cameras are bad when it's dark outside, often I have to guess what I see in the rear camera when parking. The placement of the rear camera leads to dirt on it, I have to clean it every day to be able to use it. Etc, pp.
Nothing is so bad that I would advise against a Tesla, but these are many small paper cuts I was not used to in other brands.
That said: don't buy a Tesla. Musk is a Nazi. Don't support Nazis, punch them.
Edit: didn't notice the train joke. Nice, you got me ;-)
Pretty sure it's a joke and the Electric Vehicle here are trains, as those 4 are train manufacturers. Regarding your (small) rant, no opinion, but the joke is funny and the electric train is the superior mean of transportation.
I never owned a tesla, i only know people who own and have owned teslas and it's a mixed bag. It's really not as simple as "car very good" and "car very bad" the biggest problem with the early gen tesla (imo) is that they aren't really thought out in many many places. My mechanic friend bought an early gen tesla for cheap and we started to pull it apart because it made odd noises. I have never seen such a weird ass car. They just glued in neoprene (or whatever that is) and other parts into the body panel for some reason. Well one reason is that the car collects dirt in the panels. And i mean i pulled out buckets of dirt from that car. The interior is incredible cheap lookjng and feeling. A lot of things in that car was just bizzar. It was like a show car, that wasn't ment to drive because everything seemed so flimsy so they just added stuff to make it not fall apart.
A guy i know ordered a then new tesla (around 2021) he was supposed to get the car in august that year, they delivered it around christmas. He's a real fanboy and he was so excited for that car. When they delivered it, the car was absolutely shit. Panel misalignment is normal with these cars, but this was crazy, and not just panels, also interior and the car rattled and what not. He didn't accept it and the delivery guy told him the car just goes to the next guy on the list until someone accepts it. So he got another car in march or so. His windshield broke a bit later and it took them 8 month to get a new one, and because they don't have a real garage, he delivered it and they took it somewhere. It was gone for a long time and they didn't just change the windows, they also changed out the drivetrain and didn't say anything. This part is speculative to be honest, but it usually doesn't take more than a month to change the windscreen and when we put the car on a lift, the frivetrain was suspiciously clean compared to the rest of the car. They denied everything tho. These are my first hand experiences, and reading the problems other tesla owners have, it's pretty clear that quality, quality control and customer service is like dead last on the list.
EV is only as good as its software
That's odd, because usually when I'm driving a car, the only software I really need to do its' job is the powertrain control module and I haven't noticed that being so bad in literally any manufacturer.
The software part is odd to me too. I build weird electric vehicles for fun. Things like gokarts, bikes, rc cars, drones, whatever. My favourite part about electric vehicles is how easy they are. Battery goes to speed controller, speed controller goes to motor. Motor spins when it gets a imput. Obviously there is a bit more going into in when you build a real car. But not that much.
I have a Tesla (it's 4 years old, dont kill me. I wouldnt buy one now. I would unbuy it if I could. Fuck Elon, fuck Tesla) and my boyfriend has a new Hyundai Ioniq 5. The Ioniq is a really cool car, no problems yet with it so far, but the Tesla absolutely demolishes it from a software/end user standpoint.
It is definitely the best non-Tesla EV I've played with so far, though, but I am so glad he decided on it over a 2nd Tesla. I dont think I could look at him anymore if he bought one at this point...
Good keep it going!
I work in tech in Germany. My coworkers and I are the ideal Tesla customers. Nobody I know would consider buying a Nazi car.
Call it a swasticar, Elmo hates it.
Not many people want to be seen in a nazi car. Between that and twitter, the babyllionaire douche is really demonstrating his genius.
The people who buy electric vehicles are left-leaning people who believe in climate change. If I were a major Tesla shareholder I'd be howling to have Musk ejected while the company still has a chance to retain some goodwill.
Why? Shareholders do not care about the health of the company so long as its stock price is high. And Teslas stock price is not based on any fundamental principle of investing.
Their market cap, or the total value of all their shares, is currently worth more than the next 30 largest auto manufacturers COMBINED.
Let me put it this way: Every single car sold in the United States this year could be made by Tesla and they still wouldn’t even be close to being worth what they are right now based on company fundamentals. Thats how insane this is. Shareholders of the company couldn’t be happier and yet their company is declining in sales and killing off its customer base. Absolutely insane.
People are still betting big on Tesla’s self driving and other technological advances.
Value of a stock isn’t just the current market success, but also perceived future value.
That said, Tesla is overvalued for sure.
I'd say they're more betting on his ability to convince road safety regulators to allow his automated death trap Johnnycabs onto American roads.
I think that type of speculation is acceptable usually but their self driving tech hasn’t significantly improved in a while and has been out for years, so those expectations should be mostly priced in by now.
You add that to their falling sales figures and the fact that they spent crazy money developing cyber truck and have had multiple recalls on it already, the stock is completely out to lunch. Usually they’re somewhat in touch with reality. Like Apple is a bit out to lunch but its movement is still news-based somewhat. Not the case with Tesla, they’re not out to lunch they’re out till next year in Tahiti
That sounds like a bubble that needs a pin 📌
I don't understand how the stock is STILL so high
One of the few conspiracies I actually subscribe to is that there is no legitimate stock market anymore, it is 100% under price control. Wins and losses - such as they are - are being determined by huge banks and hedge funds using AI algorithms, dark pools and phantom shares to maintain an iron grip. I got started down this path when I read Michael Lewis' book Flash Boys, which, like this video was made over 10 years ago.
I don't know that there's any sort of conspiracy, but it's definitely true that a huge part of the market is in "dumb money" -- index funds that just buy every stock weighted by market cap, and thus exert no influence on what the companies actually do.
They released info to shareholders last week that showed an 8% drop in year over year sales... and yet the stock went up. Maybe people expected the drop to be even higher, so the drop was already priced in?? But it just feels like there is market manipulation going on.
My guess is that, with Musk basically in charge of the government now, investors are expecting huge returns from corruption.
Sadly, he's already tapped the US Treasury like a Keg.
Not one more Tesla should be sold in any democratic country.
Whenever I see a Tesla, I immediately think of those fucking neo-Nazis and his weekly chats with the bastard Vlad.
Couldn't happen to a "better" man
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