Not many people want to be seen in a nazi car. Between that and twitter, the babyllionaire douche is really demonstrating his genius.
there is no real reason to use twitter or a tesla at this point (outside of having bought one many years ago). Unfortunately spacex does not have a good alternate and im not really sure where the solar/battery stuff fall as far as their options compared to others.
im not really sure where the solar/battery stuff fall as far as their options compared to others.
For the residential market it looks like this.
Panels - Tesla solar panels are nothing special. They use other manufacturer's panels. They generally choose acceptable middle-of-the-road models, not the high end, not the low end.
Panel integration to homes - Telsa does have a clever part for linking into an existing home wiring panel that can be faster/cheaper that the common methods called a meter collar. However it is only certified for use in some states so far. Also, other companies are coming out with their own meter collar, but I concede that Tesla was the first to do this.
Battery - Tesla Powerwall is one of the most popular home battery options because of its large capacity relative to its price. However, there have been bad runs with some of its models with its inverter prematurely failing or running extra hot and shutting down. Overall its still considered higher quality unit and user experience. However, its not the only battery on the market. In the USA solar vendor specific batteries exist with pros and cons compared to Tesla. Enphase is one of the leaders in home solar, and they make an excellent (but expensive) battery system. Franklin also makes a vendor neutral battery that is highly regarded.
In all of these Tesla home solar products one thing that is universally agreed to is how horrible the Tesla customer service experience is. Getting a hold of a human is nearly impossible. When you do the human will frequently not follow up, and you'll find out that human is gone and you have to go through the process again to get your issue addressed. Replacement parts can be delayed by months mean, and not infrequently the subcontractors used to install the equipment cause problems or damage to the houses where the install occurs.
I chose to skip Tesla and did not use them for any of my home solar install and I'm very glad I did.
Thanks for your thorough reply. We have solar on our home. I'd like to get a battery back up, but am a little annoyed on the price of that, and will not go ~~nazi~~ tesla any time in the near future.
I use to want one. I was following news for them as electric cars were a bit of a hyper focus for me at the time.
My next car will very likely be full electric and there is no way I will own a Tesla now. I'm not even sure I would get one at this point if musk was no longer associated with it.
He has done everything he can to alienate the actual consumers of Tesla.
Until recently, I think I'd have given them a shot if Musk was 100% removed from the company, not by his choice. Now, Tesla is synonymous with a Nazi. That taint will last decades if they were to drop him right now, but I will never give them a penny.
Not many people want to be seen in a nazi car
Eh, people really like VW bugs, and those we're commissioned by hitler and designed by the nazis. They've done a lot better at distancing themselves from their founder, though.
I work in tech in Germany. My coworkers and I are the ideal Tesla customers. Nobody I know would consider buying a Nazi car.
Call it a swasticar, Elmo hates it.
The French (rightly) hate Nazi stuff. 🤷♂️
What ? They vote for Le Pen in droves. They love that nazi biatch.
I don't understand how the stock is STILL so high
One of the few conspiracies I actually subscribe to is that there is no legitimate stock market anymore, it is 100% under price control. Wins and losses - such as they are - are being determined by huge banks and hedge funds using AI algorithms, dark pools and phantom shares to maintain an iron grip. I got started down this path when I read Michael Lewis' book Flash Boys, which, like this video was made over 10 years ago.
I don't know that there's any sort of conspiracy, but it's definitely true that a huge part of the market is in "dumb money" -- index funds that just buy every stock weighted by market cap, and thus exert no influence on what the companies actually do.
They released info to shareholders last week that showed an 8% drop in year over year sales... and yet the stock went up. Maybe people expected the drop to be even higher, so the drop was already priced in?? But it just feels like there is market manipulation going on.
My guess is that, with Musk basically in charge of the government now, investors are expecting huge returns from corruption.
Yeah, the guy who apparently now controls the strings of the government could just click a button to have the government order 1 million Teslas.
Other than investing in the hopes of seeing returns from corruption, it doesn't really make any sense.
It’s a cult.
You couldn’t get me to drive a Tesla even if you paid me for it
I might be tempted to as long as the destination was "into a lake".
Edit: as soon as I wrote that, I realized: I don't wanna pollute a lake so nevermind.
The people who buy electric vehicles are left-leaning people who believe in climate change. If I were a major Tesla shareholder I'd be howling to have Musk ejected while the company still has a chance to retain some goodwill.
Why? Shareholders do not care about the health of the company so long as its stock price is high. And Teslas stock price is not based on any fundamental principle of investing.
Their market cap, or the total value of all their shares, is currently worth more than the next 30 largest auto manufacturers COMBINED.
Let me put it this way: Every single car sold in the United States this year could be made by Tesla and they still wouldn’t even be close to being worth what they are right now based on company fundamentals. Thats how insane this is. Shareholders of the company couldn’t be happier and yet their company is declining in sales and killing off its customer base. Absolutely insane.
That sounds like a bubble that needs a pin 📌
They already hedged their bets long ago. Only main Street is gonna be left holding this bag. Yall need to get real. The world is falling apart and people still think the rich are gonna do something.
Not one more Tesla should be sold in any democratic country.
The EU has so many much better EV makers it is crazy. Siemens, Altsom, CAF or Talgo are superior in every way.
Are you expecting someone to say "I never heard of those" so you can share some gem of niche industry knowledge with us?
Sigh. Alright. "I never heard of those".
Those are all train manufacturers.
Oh, right, so we are all very dumb for not recognizing that and also op is very enlightened because he has already arrived at the conclusion that public transport is the only valid form of transportation while the rest of us still thinks that electrically driven automobiles (*snort*) might be anything of value.
Alright, imma head over to the designated corner of shame, see you guys over there.
Hint: None of those companies make electric vehicles.
What do you mean? Trains are vehicles.
Sure, but that’s not relevant. Unless you’re suggesting that people buying a train is a better idea than buying a Tesla.
Give me a break.
Hate on Musk all you're pleased, I'll join you. But I can't deny how much better tesla was vs every other brand I've test driven (Ford, Kia, Polestar mg etc). Their software is unmatched unfortunately. Until we get another brand do this shit right, tesla will be the top car. EV is only as good as its software. Most other brands are half a decade behind.
Again, if you have experience and disagree? I'm happy to discuss! I'd love to hear about your experience with brands I haven't tested. But 90% of comments here likely never driven Tesla and are just spewing bullshit because they dislike Musk. It's fine not to buy a car because of it, but trying to mental gymnastics into the car being bad makes people look like complete idiots.
I'm sure there will be smart asses here talking about quality control or software recalls, so what? Sell so many of anything and you'll have bad apples. You think other brands haven't got those?
Tesla cars are a mixed bag (for Europeans, at least).
The software is good (although it got worse, many things now require multiple touches, which is really bad when driving), and it is better than every other brand I know.
But a lot of other aspects are suboptimal. E.g. the insulation is sub-par, resulting in more noise. The assistance systems are really bad, the car tried to kill me multiple times on the Autobahn. The cameras are bad when it's dark outside, often I have to guess what I see in the rear camera when parking. The placement of the rear camera leads to dirt on it, I have to clean it every day to be able to use it. Etc, pp.
Nothing is so bad that I would advise against a Tesla, but these are many small paper cuts I was not used to in other brands.
That said: don't buy a Tesla. Musk is a Nazi. Don't support Nazis, punch them.
Edit: didn't notice the train joke. Nice, you got me ;-)
Pretty sure it's a joke and the Electric Vehicle here are trains, as those 4 are train manufacturers. Regarding your (small) rant, no opinion, but the joke is funny and the electric train is the superior mean of transportation.
The interesting part of the story is not so much that Tesla is losing -- it's who is winning. Electric vehicles are in MASSIVE demand throughout the world. The USA has responded more or less by putting an iron curtain in place against BETTER electric vehicles produced elsewhere. Sure, our governments use some scary words around Chinese imports, but look at their cars in isolation, especially BYD. By almost any metric you can imagine, BYD products are superior. The USA is temporarily putting their head in the sand about China. However, make no mistake, in other markets where there is FAIR competition, America's lunch is getting eaten. This cannot go on forever. Hopefully our US auto producers get their heads out of their ass and start competing instead of relying on tariffs to level the playing field. Tarriffs can make Tesla competitive domestically, but if you want to dominate the world, this is almost certainly not the way forward.
Whenever I see a Tesla, I immediately think of those fucking neo-Nazis and his weekly chats with the bastard Vlad.
It's a good start. I do my part by pointing and laughing at every owner of the big, stupid, dangerous cybertruck...
I feel like no matter what animal people use to insult a human, the human is usually worse than the actual animal. Even with snakes. Muskrats are sweethearts, they just swim around ponds and tag along with beavers.
None of this matters, you know they'll have robots in like two years and Tesla will be the company worth the most, with a value of the next five companies combined*.
*This is what Tesla investors actually believe; Musk claimed this on the last earnings call last week.
Can't say I can blame them for not wanting to give their money to a Nazi.
Sadly, he's already tapped the US Treasury like a Keg.
There's another factor that jumps to mind when I think of cars in France: they buy A LOT of French cars! I don't have any statistical data, but it feels like half of the cars on their roads are French... And now that their manufacturers' offer of EVs is starting to flesh out, they probably prefer buying "local".
Was in France for 3 weeks on holiday and saw almost exclusively Citroën, Renault, and Peugeot. My rental car was a Renault E Tech and after driving it,I looked into importing one to the USA (sadly it’s not possible for regulatory reasons).
Renault E Tech and after driving it,I looked into importing one to the USA (sadly it’s not possible for regulatory reasons).
That's hilarious taking into account European standards are stricter than US. US industry clearly don't like competition.
Not a large drop enough, let's make that 100% please
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