Damn, you really need a different acronym for that.
I seriously thought this was some extremist fuckcars shit.
Fuckcars aren't out to spare EVs over ICEs.
Glue a bb in the valve cap. It’ll let the air out with no sign of tampering. And happen angain every time they top it up.
Won't it loudly hiss air when they refill and screw cap back on?
Love that
I was confused for a second because I read "ICE" as internal combustion engine. In my defense: I'm not American and "ICE" is commonly used that way in Formula 1
Ya'll, ice enforcement vehicles have run-flat tires. This would work on a fleet car, but those aren't labeled, they're just cars.
Those are still only rated to go 50 miles once depressurized.
They also wouldn't even know their tires are flat until they start their car and get a tpms warning.
Imagining them giving chase with depressurized run-flat tires is laughable too.
A funny mental image, no argument here. But my point is that this isn't going to disable a vehicle like some people in here are fantasizing - a high speed chase might be ruled out, but they're still a very active threat, and they will easily be able to make it back to the motor pool with a minimum of damage. It's not much of an inconvenience.
make it back to the motor pool with a minimum of damage
Yes, but it'll be taken out of operation until the damaged valve is replaced. With government procurement rules and chaos in the actual government workforce, a few valves might actually interfere with operational readiness.
Um... no. Sorry, I suspect you just aren't aware of how it works: Replacing a valve stem takes five minutes at most, and most of that is breaking and re-seating the bead. They'll have a bin of loose spare stems at the motor pool garage, and anyone with thumbs and access to youtube can make this fix. This is a good act of minor/petty resistance to remind them that we're here, but it's not going to be more than that and people really need to understand how disproportionate the risk:resistance ratio is here.
Yeah it's an easy fix for sure. The ~five minutes of labor does require the vehicle to be sent to the garage though, which practically speaking takes them out of commission for an hour at least:
Notice tpms light, finish current task, go to garage instead of going to next task
But you're right, the risk/reward is dicey, good chance you'd be noticed.
Edit: in Minecraft
Sure, and there's lots that isn't being said here that complicates the issue even more. Many precincts use locking valve stem-caps, for example, or have armored or recessed valve stems as part of a bulletproof tire package. Neither one are insurmountable by any means, but they add extra time to whatever you're doing - which you really can't afford if you're fucking with the most prominent arm of the fascist enforcement mechanism. This kind of simple resistance meme is extremely popular, because it lets people feel like they could fight back substantively without any overhead and a minimum of risk, but it's just not quite as simple as people want it to be.
Take the fundamental premise, damaging an ICE vehicle. The absolute best time you could take out their tires would be while they're involved in a large scale enforcement action like rounding up people accused of being brown. Their vehicles won't be unattended though, and at the very least someone will be there for C3 and perimeter (and to make sure nobody fucks with their equipment like we're talking about doing here). You're not going to have more than a fleeting chance to run up and do something, and those goofy wire cutters in the OP image aren't going to make a big enough hole to make a difference. And, again, they have run flat (or bulletproof, which I just learned you can drive at high speeds on) tires, which means they can still drive their captives to wherever they want.
The most feasible time to do something like in the OP is either to hop the fence to the motor pool (don't do this, but if you manage to pull it off it'd be fucking great) or when you see an individual or paired vehicle parked on some routine errand of bastardry. But then, it's not much of an inconvenience. Cop goes back to the garage, drinks coffee or does paperwork or jerks off to the idea of splitting up families (you know, whatever the cops do in their spare time) and they're back in action in a generous hour. It's just not much of an inconvenience, but it does send a very obvious message. And if enough people are doing it consistently enough, they'll have to change their procedure for leaving vehicles unattended in the field. But, the chances of you getting this opportunity are extremely low.
I don't have a problem with the concept in abstract, and it would be deeply annoying to deal with were I the cop, but people in this thread are getting really gung-ho about it and they need to calm down and think it through before they get themselves killed. Those doofy wire cutters, for instance: 8"/12" (12" is better, but obviously less concealable) compound bolt cutters are quite cheap and can fit in a purse, and will chew through tire stems, handcuffs, master locks, wire mesh panels, high impact plastic panels and even the rims of tires themselves (something they only have a handful of spares for, and which are a great deal more work to replace). They also make insulated versions that'll safely go through electrical wiring, and of course in a pinch they work really well on things like glass windows or for self defense. And they're small and cheap enough you can reasonably ditch them just about anywhere and walk away without a loss.
There's shitloads of things you can do that seem simple and effective, but if you're taking advice for fighting fascists just from a meme, you're going to get yourself disappeared real quick. I'd really prefer that doesn't happen to anybody in this thread (except that nazi guy, but the mods seem to have ousted him. Foreshadowing? We can only hope).
Internal combustion engine enforcement?
Well done, you figured it out. Have a cookie.
Never throw a sharp piece of ceramic at a car window it will shatter the windows.
Definitely don't do that. Rapidly letting all of the air out is VERY VERY LOUD. Instead, "do not" have a valve stem tool in your pocket and DEFINITELY do not barely loosen the stem core so that it leaks out slower but much more quietly, allowing you to be long gone when they "go flat".
I never knew someone who didn’t unscrew the the valve cap and avoided placing a small pebble or BB inside the cap before they didn’t screw the cap back on and then didn’t inadvertently introduce a slow leak which did not cause the tire to not become flat over a period of time.
I wonder if 'how to use a valve stem tool' will start being tracked in searches. I'm sure we are all on a list already, but can you imagine getting a new one created, just for us?
Bruh it’s literally just a screw driver that you use to twist the valve stem in or out. If you need a tutorial for that this may not be the best idea for you
Anyway don’t do this to old, low-end cars. If that person’s driving a 15 year old Corolla then they probably can’t afford a brand new Tesla. As much as we’d like everyone to drive an EV, single moms tend to prioritize feeding their kids.
I agree with your sentiment
In this case though, they're referring to the federal ICE, not internal combustion engine.
I think the caption refers to Immigration and Customs Enforcement, not Internal Combustion Engine.
Ohhhhh that makes so much sense now! Here I was thinking this was some radical pro-EV group going out there making it happen!
As it is currently, electric cars are worse for the environment because we all decided electric cars are basically the iphones of automobiles.
They are riddled with planned obscelence and proprietary hardware. Theres not a chance in hell these would last longer than 10 years.
Meanwhile ICE vehicles can easily last decades if well cared for
I'm not shilling ICE vehicles, but stating the fact we NEED right to repair before we adopt electric vehicles on a large scale.
Remember that capitalism WANTS our belongings to break, and WANTS to infinitely produce, and WANTS us to infinitely consume.
Biggest problem is not the engine in the car but the car itself. So much energy must go into their production, maintenance and running compared to literally any other form of land transport. Take a train, ride a bike, walk, etc. hell even replacing the cars with electric mopeds would make a more significant impact. We need to be reducing the number of cars on the road and encouraging carpooling for commuters who don't have other options (aka mostly folks in rural areas who happen to also be those that will benefit the most financially from driving less)
Aside from the batteries needing to be replaced at some point, electric vehicles should far outlast their ICE counterparts. A significant breakthrough in batteries could make that well worth it.
I'd love a right to repair, but also prefer to just get rid of capitalism. Not that these have to be mutually exclusive.
Yes, EVs should outlast ICE (excrept maybe the motors) but as it stands now, if theres something wrong with any of thr electronics it just won't work, and you need to get it repaired, with special proprietary parts, from an official dealer ship and charges eye watering prices, so thr cars end up in the junkyard cause its too expensive to repair, and it becomes e-waste.
I hoping my (PH)EV lasts as long as my previous (and hopefully last) ICE. I only got 15 years out of the ICE, and I've gotten 5 out of the EV so far...
Its the electric motors that should outlast an ICE vehicles. Its just a simpler design with less moving parts. They use rotational energy directly rather than converting translational energy via pistons and a drive train requiring a transmission, lubrication, cooling, and regular maintanence. Non of that is hardly needed with an ev, at least to a signifactly smaller degree. An induction motor doesn't even have parts that touch anything to rotate.
Not to mention that should a battery technology develop with anything close to the energy density of gasoline, evs should be able to achieve ranges in the 1000s of miles.
100% agree that the hardware and software should be open sourced though.
Electric motors last fucking forever. We had a lathe at the last place I worked that was made in Nazi Germany with its original electric motor. The motors are what makes it last so long. It's the batteries and other electronics that fail in EVs. Ever been in a factory and seen those little yellow carts? Those things are ancient, poorly maintained, and exist in filthy conditions usually.
Half of my model trains date back to the 80s and earlier and have spent significant periods of that time just sitting unmaintained in boxes. No lube or anything, apply power and they just go. Good luck getting the same out of an ICE powered vehicle after just a couple of years of not being used. Electric motors are awesome!
Yep, and the funny thing is about EVs is that all the electronics that fail, are also on ICE vehicles these days.
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