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[-] pupbiru@aussie.zone 124 points 5 months ago

it’s not asking for a 50% raise… it’s giving you the opportunity to retain talent and knowledge for the same rate as a competitor has offered

[-] nimble 49 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Never take the counter offer though. Take the new gig. If your employer didn't value you they arent going to suddenly start. They are just buying time to find a replacement.

I'm sure someone will fill the need to tell me of the 1% times it works out but in general it's almost always better to take the new gig.

[-] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 months ago

If you're not going to take the counter offer, why even bring it up? I suppose it would be a message to your old boss that they ought to offer more when seeking your replacement, but they won't. Maybe you could share the information with the person most likely to be forced into doing all your work under their old title and at their old wage.

[-] nimble 10 points 5 months ago

I think there are two paths:

  • unsolicited. I put in my notice, boss asks how much I'm getting offered and makes a counteroffer.
  • solicited. I get an offer and let my boss know a company is offering X and ask if they'll give Y.

I think the line of thinking of intentionally trying to get a counteroffer is that if you get a counter offer you could take it to the new employer and try to get them to match. In a worker's market that might get you some more money but in a employer's market your only real choice is to go with the new employer. Does it hurt to ask? Maybe not, but id rather not risk it since at that stage you've already informed your boss of the new job offer so if anything goes wrong, your old employer is still going to start looking for a replacement.

Ofc, at the time salary is discussed you are talking with HR so it's slightly less risk, but they still might have a candidate #2 and #3 on standby.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Yeah, I don't think it's unreasonable to ask the new company to beat it by a bit. Tell them you'll verbally accept if they meet, say, 5-10% above the counter offer or even a one-time sign-on bonus because you'd like a change of pace anyway but want some compensation for taking the risk of making the jump.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Here's an alternative perspective: if they counter offer, you're probably still underpaid, so you may want to accept and keep looking for the next few months using the new salary as your new base expectation. But absolutely make sure you're never going to come back to that org if you leave within a year of accepting the counter offer.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago

I got the impression he means it the other way around: he has to offer people 50% more than they currently earn to get them to switch jobs from the competition to his company.

[-] brrt@sh.itjust.works 65 points 5 months ago

Tell me you are underpaying your employees without telling me you are underpaying your employees.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 11 points 5 months ago

And tell me you like to blame employees for your decisions without saying that you like to blame employees for your decisions.

[-] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 56 points 5 months ago

"As discussed" means your people don't trust your lying ass. You bet I'm gonna send you an email with all the shit you want me to do, but can't be bothered to send me in a clear traceable email.

[-] thisNotMyName@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago

The option is it's a passive aggressive I TOLD YOU ALREADY, dumbfuck! Take notes if you don't remember the outcome of the useless meetings you put in my calender!

[-] crmsnbleyd@sopuli.xyz 47 points 5 months ago

The #hiring tag on the profile picture is the cherry on top

[-] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 40 points 5 months ago

What I find funny is competitors offering 50% more, while knowing you will be joining without knowing their internal intricacies, yet the current employer doesn't want to match it even though you are already well versed in their systems. So, as discussed, pay me 50% more or I go.

[-] CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

It’s less funny when you realize that the people around you that aren’t moving jobs are the ones being taken advantage of and despite being a good little worker bee are getting the most screwed by the company.

Companies realized that people don’t like moving jobs every 3 years and that you hate the friction as much as they do of learning new systems. And so they can take advantage of you and even if they only get to do that for a few years without giving you decent raises, you leaving doesn’t matter when other workers stay there for 5-10+ years getting underpaid.

Essentially this is the only system capitalism could ever have arrived it. People forget that not only does capitalism take advantage of people through the exploitation of their resources, but it also takes direct advantage of their behavior and psychology.

[-] trolololol@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

I don't mind the system crap that much, but I always loathe how many of my future team mates are technical psychopaths, and how dysfunctional leadership is.

[-] collapse_already@lemmy.ml 34 points 5 months ago

In plain English, "I don't even deserve courtesy notice that you will no longer be coming in. "

[-] ace_of_based@sh.itjust.works 33 points 5 months ago

What's with "As discussed"?

[-] wieson@feddit.org 19 points 5 months ago

Corporate email way of saying "I already told you. Are you not listening?"

Or maybe a reminder to actually fulfill the agreed upon contract. But that would assume, he is a lying cheapskate, which is very unrealistic for a CEO...

[-] Nfamwap@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago

Meh, I use 'as discussed' when I want to commit something I have discussed over the phone, to email. So there is a paper trail when the thing that was discussed doesn't happen, or gets fucked up somehow.

[-] ace_of_based@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago

Ah thanks. Construction guy, ain't an amazing gig but we don't have this particular work pain

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 31 points 5 months ago

Nobody wants to pay wages anymore

[-] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

Well he can go suck a lemon

[-] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 15 points 5 months ago

Bitch, you would get the privilege of making a counteroffer out of the magnanimity of my heart and the immense patience I have for what is undoubtedly exemplary C level shittiness.

It's not a right.

[-] superduperpirate@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

I periodically read ask a manager, and i’m curious about just how she’d take someone like this to task. Probably something about choosing to underpay your staff means you’ll have higher than necessary turnover, and star performers will never come work for you.

[-] ThePrimitive@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Oh honey, you won't have to worry about that since I'll be lying about my current salary because it's none of your fucking business.

[-] bigschnitz@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

This guy expect people to assume all the risks associated with starting at a new company (without whatever network they've built up) for free?

[-] sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

This is how capitalism works.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

In the job they're in, people already know the scope of the job they have to do as well as the quality of the work environment and colleagues they have, plus have the comfort of a well established routine, whilst at a new job they don't - moving jobs is both a disruption and a risk so it is absolutely natural for people to only do it if they either have no other choice or stand to gain from taking that risk.

Only suckers move jobs for no gain.

That said, the "gain" needs even not be more pay (for example great career opportunities or interesting projects can also work), it's just that from the point of view of a prospective employee, more money is a low risk benefit (because it's pretty much guaranteed since it's there black and white in a contract), whilst things like promises of great career opportunities or working in interesting projects are high risk because they might just be bullshit, oversold or not materialize for some reason or other, so in the risk-reward calculus in the mind of anybody with even the most basic business sense, a low risk reward is worth more than an equivalent reward with higher risk, so more money tends to be preferred.

That this guy can't actually understand what is a pretty basic piece of human Economic thinking leads me to believe that he probably has no other option than to offer more money because either he has nothing else to offer that would attract people away from other companies, people simply don't trust his promises or overselling of how great working in his company is or they fear that a job at a company he is managing is more likely to be lost due to the company failing.

[-] seang96@spgrn.com 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

If an employer doesn't think I am worth it and won't pay me more without asking I'd rather find one that apreciates what I do and leave. Last place I worked had every VP call me and ask if they could do anything or pay me more. Welp should've asked me that a year ago mate. They also said misogynistic things and made it a lot easier to leave lol.

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 3 points 5 months ago

Same thing happened last time. I switched jobs. I was like "I've been telling you all the problems with this place for 2 years. Why are you even asking now?"

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago

I'm reading his post the other way around: I think he is bitching and moaning about having to offer a lot more money to attract somebody from the competition.

The situation were somebody has already chosen to leave and the opde employers offers more money as a last ditch effort to keep that employee is a whole different affair with, as you pointed out, the whole element that them offering you more money when you're about to leave means that they've knowingly been underpaying you all along.

[-] seang96@spgrn.com 1 points 5 months ago

Ah perhaps it is a LinkedIn lunatic afteral. I wouldn't want to work with that toxicity for millions lol

[-] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 2 points 5 months ago

And he tagged the Hiring hashtag hahahahah moron. I always osint the hiring manager before accepting any position. I would see this, and flst out reject his offer. I've worked in enough toxic environments to recognize the personalities that create and garner them. Get bent Kiran.

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