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[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 54 points 1 week ago

Regional context

https://www.nzz.ch/zuerich/radikaler-islamist-sollte-in-zuerich-in-der-zentralwaescherei-auftreten-kantonspolizei-hat-einreisesperre-fuer-ihn-beantragt-mario-fehr-spricht-von-einem-judenhasser-ld.1867964

He was not allowed to enter switzerland because Fedpol feared that he calls for violence and actively promotes Hamas (which Switzerland considers a terror organisation). As he crossed the border anyway, he got arrested and deported.

You can’t enter a country without a visa and wonder why you get arrested…

[-] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 41 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If that's the conclusion you've arrived at after reading nazi-friendly content, then you're probably a nazi too.

Ali Abunimah was born and raised in the U.S., so we can safely assume he possesses the U.S. citizenship and passport. What does Switzerland's official immigration website have to say about U.S. citizens? Oh yeah, that's right, you get full-on red carpet drawn for you:

https://www.eda.admin.ch/countries/usa/en/home/visa/entry-ch/up-90-days/do-i-need-a-schengen-visa.html

And if the state designates an organization as a terrorist group, then that's that right? We can just throw away our critical thinking (assuming we had any in the first place) and let the state known for rubbing elbows with nazis do the thinking for us, right? Piss off with that racist bullshit.

[-] 8uurg@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Note that while entering the Schengen area does not require a visa for USA citizens, you do have to get a visa waiver which is subject to limitations. See this document.

[-] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago

That's true, starting from this year. I couldn't find more information about this through primary sources of how tedious it is compared to your average long-and-arduous visa procedures that Global South countries are subjected to, but it appears to be a relatively quick non-process: https://www.axa-schengen.com/en/visa/visit-schengen/usa#1

The reason for his deportation wasn't because "he didn't have a visa" like the original comment purported as one of the points, or a lack of a visa-waiver for that matter. It was clear-cut "he's too brown for our liking" but with glitter all over.

[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago

Note that Switzerland is not in Schengen

[-] ThisIsNotHim@sopuli.xyz 21 points 1 week ago

Switzerland is in Schengen, but didn't join until 2004.

[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

Apparently since 2024, according to this

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/switzerland/visa/

Missed that…

So i messed up that “Einreiseverbot” and “visa” is not the same. I think any non Swiss person can be refused to enter the country, if you are popular enough that fedpol fears about safety of the people in Switzerland.

[-] Samsuma@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago

Congrats on confirming that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

Thank you!

Apparently since 2024, according to this

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/switzerland/visa/

Missed that…

So i messed up that “Einreiseverbot” and “visa” is not the same. I think any non Swiss person can be refused to enter the country, if you are popular enough that fedpol fears about safety of the people in Switzerland.

[-] endofline@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago

Switzerland is in Schengen area and in EFTA but not in EU.

[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Apparently since 2024, according to this

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/switzerland/visa/

Missed that…

So i messed up that “Einreiseverbot” and “visa” is not the same. I think any non Swiss person can be refused to enter the country, if you are popular enough that fedpol fears about safety of the people in Switzerland.

Edit: shengen was joined at 2008!

[-] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago

Stop spreading misinformation, Switzerland is fully in Schengen since 2008.

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX%3A32008D0903

[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago

Thank you for correcting! 🙏🏻

I got confused somehow, was not intentional

[-] menemen@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The words "islamist" or "islamism" are so utterly meaningless nowadays. Basically means "brown person whose opinion we don't like".

I mean, there are things to critizise about him. But anyone who calls him an islamist juts shows his bigotry or utter stupidity.

(US citizens also don't need a visa to enter Switzerland, but that is a technicality.)

[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I have not enough knowledge about him to say if it was reasonable to not let him in, but his post on X seemed to celebrate destruction and murder.

I think it is in the manner of “better safe than sorry” it is reasonable to not give this man a visa. And I very much hope that a person celebrating Israel’s attacks would neither.

[-] menemen@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

And how does this make him an islamist?

You've just involuntarily proven my point that the word "islamist" is just utterly arbitrary and mostly just used to hide racism at this point.

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[-] PanArab@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

Right to defend is not equal celebrating death and destruction like it was some sort of a fucking party…

I agree with you, that Israel did not handle the situation like they should have. But I agree with Fedpol as well, to not let any extremist disturb the cultural peace we currently have in Switzerland.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

but his post on X seemed to celebrate destruction and murder.

Lol, if Switzerland kicked out every European who generically celebrated destruction or murder, it would be an empty country.

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[-] Steve@communick.news 20 points 1 week ago

Screen shots aren't articles. And that one is 2 days old.
Here's a followup article with more details.

[-] PanArab@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Reminder: Palestine was liberated once before from the Crusaders and not by convincing the European invaders of human rights or any other value but through force.

No one should be delusional that a western colonial project backed by western powers will someday recognize the humanity of Palestinians. The only principle that the west understands is might makes right. That is the principle they have applied towards colonized peoples. Everything they say above human rights is a thin veneer over that brutal truth.

[-] land@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago

100%. They are so delusional that 48,000+ innocent deaths are meaning nothing, but their argument starts from October 7th. When Palestinians have been facing this for 75 years.

I come to your house, steal your stuff, tell you to fuj off. Obviously, you’re gonna fight back. Seems like minds in the West are so full of hatred towards Muslims, Arabs, and brown people that they’ve lost their humanity.

[-] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 week ago

War is peace.

Freedom is slavery.

Ignorance is strength.

[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago

War is peas.

Freedom is celery.

Ignorance is spinach.

[-] far_university190@feddit.org 3 points 1 week ago
[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

Fuck is hummussy.

[-] PanArab@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

More western hypocrisy and racism. Nothing new. Hopefully they will become irrelevant sooner than later.

[-] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

Oh wait people are upset that Switzerland didn't want a terrorist sympathizer in their country?

Thats like being upset that countries don't allow Tommy Robinson in.

[-] Count042@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

So most countries should kick out Israel supporters? That beeper attack was a state sponsored terrorist attack.

[-] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago

Mossad and the IDF are 100% terrorist organizations so I'd be fine with that yeah.

What, did you think that was a gotcha moment?

[-] land@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 week ago

Go touch some grass.

[-] PorcupineSlippers@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago

Yeah yeah all brown people are terrorists. Do the world a favor and go sig heil off a cliff.

[-] Vendetta9076@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

Brother Hamas is a terrorist organization. Nobody said shit about race.

[-] Grapho@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Hamas is a political organ engaging in fully legal resistance against their occupiers.

Not that I give a single fuck about Western "international law", but even by their standards, they're not doing a single thing wrong, and if anything have shown great restraint.

More than 25000 children in Palestine are now orphans, and that's with the wildly outdated numbers. This campaign of settler genocide has been going on since the Nakba. I'll give you one guess as to what orphaned them and who is left to take them in.

[-] PanArab@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago

No they are not.

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

"it's ok for the government to suppress free speech if the government declares that free speech unacceptable"

[-] PanArab@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago

Palestinians have a right to armed resistance. This right is protected under international laws.

[-] Nursery2787@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

How is this related to privacy? Seems like he’s pretty public about his views.

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