What's a deepseek? Sounds like a search engine?
Deepseek is a Chinese AI company that released Deepseek R1, a direct competitor to ChatGPT.
Nice! What are they competing for? I'm new to this AI business thing.
So far, they are training models extremely efficiently while having US gatekeeping their GPUs and doing everything they can to slow their progress. Any innovation in having efficient models to operate and train is great for accessibility of the technology and to reduce the environment impacts of this (so far) very wasteful tech.
Market share, in a speculated market to be in the future.
Come on, OP, Altman is still a billionaire. If he got out of the game right now, with OpenAi still unprofitable, he'd still have enough wealth for a dozen generations.
He's a billionaire based on the valuation of OpenAI, if the company fizzles so does his wealth.
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We doing paid promotions or something on Lemmy now? You sure seem to be pushing this DeepSeek thing pretty hard, op.
That's right I'm a huge open source shill.
None of this has anything to do with the model being open source or not, plenty of other people have already disputed that claim.
It's a model that outperforms the other ones in a bunch of areas with a smaller footprint and which was trained for less than a twentieth of the price, and then it was released as open source.
If it were European or US made nobody would deem it suspicious if somebody talked about it all month, but it's a Chinese breakthrough and god forbid you talk about it for three days
It has everything to do with the tech being open. You can dispute it all you like, but the fact is that all the code and research behind it is open. Anybody could build a new model from scratch using open data if they wanted to. That's what matters.
I'm commenting on the odd nature of the post and your behavior in the comments, pointing out that it comes across as more a shallow advertisement than a sincere endorsement, that is all. I don't know enough about DeepSeek to discuss it meaningfully, nor do I have enough evidence to decide upon its open source status.
Deepseek collects and process all the data you sent to their LLN even from API calls. It is a no-go for most of businesses applications. For example, OpenAI and Anyhropic do not collect or process anyhow data sent via API and there is an opy-ouy button in their settings that allows to avoid processing of the data sent via UI.
You can run 'em locally, tho, if their gh page is to be believed. And this way you can make sure nothing gets even sent to their servers, and not just believe nothing is processed.
I got it running with ollama locally, works as advertised
DeepSeek is an open source project that anybody can run, and it's performant enough that even running the full model is cheap enough for any company to do.
Since it's open source is there a way for companies to adjust so it doesn't intentionally avoid saying anything bad about China?
Anybody can adjust the weights any way they want.
That doesn't mean it's straightforward, or even possible, to entirely remove the censorship that's baked into the model.
People saying truisms that confirm their biases about shit they clearly know nothing about? I thought I'd left reddit.
It doesn't mean it's easy, but it is certainly possible if somebody was dedicated enough. At the end of the day you could even use the open source code DeepSeek published and your own training data to train a whole new model with whatever biases you like.
Where do I find this opy ouy button? Sounds tasty
why are you so heavily and openly advertising Deepseek?
Because it's an open source project that's destroying the whole closed source subscription AI model.
I don't think you or that Medium writer understand what "open source" means. Being able to run a local stripped down version for free puts it on par with Llama, a Meta product. Privacy-first indeed. Unless you can train your own from scratch, it's not open source.
Here's the OSI's helpful definition for your reference https://opensource.org/ai/open-source-ai-definition
You can run the full version if you have the hardware, the weights are published, and importantly the research behind it is published as well. Go troll somewhere else.
All that is true of Meta's products too. It doesn't make them open source.
Do you disagree with the OSI?
What part of OSI are you claiming DeepSeek doesn't satisfy specifically?
The data part. ie the very first part of the OSI's definition.
It's not available from their articles https://arxiv.org/html/2501.12948v1 https://arxiv.org/html/2401.02954v1
Nor on their github https://github.com/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-LLM
Note that the OSI only ask for transparency of what the dataset was - a name and the fee paid will do - not that full access to it to be free and Free.
It's worth mentioning too that they've used the MIT license for the "code" included with the model (a few YAML files to feed it to software) but they have created their own unrecognised non-free license for the model itself. Why they having this misleading label on their github page would only be speculation.
Without making the dataset available then nobody can accurately recreate, modify or learn from the model they've released. This is the only sane definition of open source available for an LLM model since it is not in itself code with a "source".
Uh yeah, that's because people publish data to huggingface. GitHub isn't made for huge data files in case you weren't aware. You can scroll down to datasets here https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai
That's the "prover" dataset, ie the evaluation dataset mentioned in the articles I linked you to. It's for checking the output, it is not the training output.
It's also 20mb, which is miniscule not just for a training dataset but even as what you seem to think is a "huge data file" in general.
You really need to stop digging and admit this is one more thing you have surface-level understanding of.
Do show me a published data set of the kind you're demanding.
Since you're definitely asking this in good faith and not just downvoting and making nonsense sealion requests in an attempt to make me shut up, sure! Here's three.
https://github.com/togethercomputer/RedPajama-Data
https://huggingface.co/datasets/legacy-datasets/wikipedia/tree/main/
Oh, and it's not me demanding. It's the OSI defining what an open source AI model is. I'm sure once you've asked all your questions you'll circle back around to whether you disagree with their definition or not.
What makes it open source is that the source code is open.
My grandma is as old as my great aunts, that doesn't transitively make her my great aunt.
Thanks for clarification!
I think deepseek opens up new efficient ways for LLM training which in turn increases competition.
I tried DeepSeek, and immediately fell in love.. My only nitpick is that images have to have text on them, otherwise it complains, but for the price of free, I'm basically just asking for too much. Contemporaries be damned.
The bubble must be repaired. Pump more cash in!
