cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/36276203
ID: 3 panel comic:
A surprised looking person pops in to existence on a floating rock surrounded by fire, next to the devil.
The person asks "wait a second-- why'd I end up in hell??"
The devil, now taking up the entire frame, replies: "because centrism enables fascism"
I'm gonna be honest this is a dumb way to view these issues. "You're either with me or against me" just fuels an "us vs them" mentality that leads to hate and division more than anything. It shows that you'd rather label people as "the enemy" than try to understand other perspectives. Also this is the bike cuck guy. Just saying.
Most people calling themselves centrists are either so privileged that they never needed to learn about politics because they will most likely be the beneficiaries of the political system or they are so uneducated that they never even figured out how to inform themselves correctly.
Centrists usually just support the dominant force of a given system which often boils down to seeking to find compromises between left and right wing ideologies, something that doesn't work so well when a big part of the conservative platform in most countries is the hate and discrimination of certain minorities.
There's a lot of people in the center that feel alienated by all the vocal lunatics on the far ends of both sides.
Not that multi-party democracy is a fix on its own, but coalition governments can sometimes do a better job representing people than "round up to L or R or GTFO"
americans discovering rest of the democracies have more than 2 parties and people change who they vote for regularly, making center a pretty sensible place to be for most people.
It's almost as bad as being so dug into your belief system that you would rather let fascists win then compromise.
Exactly. Extremism is the problem, not "centrists". Lemmy has poobrain sometimes.
I'm not an ideologue, but historically, centrism (or, to be more precise, liberalism) has done a pretty poor job of defeating extreme points of view, because they typically won't do what's required to resolve the conditions which lead to extremism, and the response to threats to the status quo (socially or politically) are more often met with repression.
The adage "scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds" doesn't come from nowhere.
Letting slightly less people die is not compromise, allowing any genocide is not compromise, allowing people to starve is not compromise, Bernie was our compromise and Liberals would rather watch Trump win than accept our compromise.
You can be on the fence about anything, but remember the devil owns the fence.
I'm not centrist because I'm on the fence, I'm centrist because I hold both leftwing and rightwing ideologies
Honest question that you dont need to answer: what are your right wing ideologies? Are they just fiscal or are they social as well?
From the rightwing side, I support private healthcare, strict immigration laws (I am an immigrant), and the lower value of human life (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_of_life)
From the leftwing side, I support higher taxes, UBI, public education, public transit, and work camps
And you’re okay with one side openly calling for violence against others and destroying society for the benefit of a few?
you’re okay with one side openly calling for violence against others
Absolutely? Free Luigi.
destroying society for the benefit of a few
Nope, that's not generally something I support
I laughed aloud. Thank you for this.
We are a dying breed... The ones who aren't always screaming about extremist nonsense. This world wasn't made for us...
Wouldnt each side accuse the other of that specifically whilst believing their own side doesn't?
I'm guessing that's the point of the question.
it's not a good place to sit.
with enough pressure the fence becomes a jagged edge that can cut you in half.
Lol, the devil? What are we, children? Do you also believe in Santa?
Eh... I envy you, if so. Truly...
Am i missing a joke or something?
When you have 2 yards separated by a fence, the fence is on one of the sides, somebody owns the fence. The saying means that by not picking sides, you still technically pick a side.
It's a metaphor. You don't need to "believe" in them.
"Everyone who doesn't have my political opinions is going to hell"
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Good point! And I noticed- that is suspiciously reminiscent of another political party that’s been popular in recent news….
Hmmm.
Inaction against injustice enables fascism. Centrists are more often inactive against injustice, but not always.
So your clever plan to get them to take action is to have the left constantly call them the reason usa is going to hell. Oh boy which side should they choose? the left who constantly hates them treats them the same as the right or the right who ignores them. Hot damn, seems left already descided they gonna be right so congrats, now you are even more of the voterbase is not going to vote with you the next round. No wonder trumps in office.
Lord.
Amazing how people don't want to share your political views if you constantly attack them and say they're at fault.
all that it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing
those who do nothing are evil's greatest allies.
Yeah. I voted third party in 2020, which effectively did nothing.
I did not make the same mistake twice, good did something this time.
So… what’s your take on not voting in protest?
In a conflict, leaving any tool unused on the table, especially one that inconveniences you so little as voting, is a dereliction of duty. Not voting is like not wiping your ass: childish, ineffective, and an embarrassment upon you and anyone within your proximity.
Its almost as if keeping the oposition divided is the point of these posts.
Centrists are not the opposition, they're conservatives that don't like being called conservatives.
Yep, currenr conservative ideals are "fuck the poor, fuck black peiple, fuck trans people, fuck women, fuck gay people, fuck anyone that isn't a rich white cishet male". Hard to be an actual centrist with that shit...
Yeah, and made out of straw. We'll gather votes like this for sure!
you really don't understand the threat that division poses, and how much more likely it is to cause the issues that both the left and right fear. including fascism.
you probably also think the French were pussies for surrendering to the Nazis.
Naaah. That’s Libertarians. Centrists are essentially political atheists.
- A surprised looking person pops in to existence [...]
You mean a surprised looking Shen. That's his self-insert character in his comics.
extremist lefties trying hard to lose again.
centrists aren't about "compromise on your morals so that we can get along with the extremists", they're about "find the places we can agree on." and "extremists are teamkilling fucktards".
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