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submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) by captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

Thinking of starting media creation, want to have an email address dedicated to that purpose. Don't want to go with Gmail as I'd like to phase Google out of my life, amd Protonmail seems incorrect for this because it largely wouldn't be encrypted mail.

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[-] ultranaut@lemmy.world 74 points 1 week ago

The CEO of Proton recently came out as a right wing partisan who supports American neofascism. I would look elsewhere for email providers, Proton is not as trustworthy as they purport to be.

[-] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I would say he's a right-wing "Libertarian" not a maga supporter. People like him say dumb things all the time, Andy Yen is also not an American, so he might be just ignorant to what republicans actually do. If you check his twitter, he posted some pro-ukraine stuff, and has donated to Ukraine, and also is pro- Hong Kong protesters, anti-censorship in Russia and Iran.

Besides, he may be CEO, but he ain't a dictator of Proton.

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 week ago

Yeah, gotta find a new VPN also. What an asshole (the CEO).

[-] ultranaut@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

It was completely shocking, I would expect him to be smart enough not to make statements like that but I guess it's masks off now that their guy is in power.

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago

We're probably on a list now, for besmirching him.

[-] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 10 points 1 week ago

I’m not scared. I’m a besmirching machine. He’ll know he’s been besmirched when I lay down some righteous besmirch upon him!

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago

I think you would be laying down smirch, whilst besmirch describes the laying down process.

One who had blemished the fair escutcheon of the family by a smirch of heresy.

T. A. Trollope, Marietta

smirch, n.

[-] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 5 points 1 week ago

Nice. In that case I shall smirch him to the end, I shall smirch him on the seas and oceans, I shall smirch him with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, I shall smirch him on the beaches, I shall smirch him on the landing grounds, I shall smirch him in the fields and in the streets, I shall smirch him in the hills; I shall never unsmirch!

[-] atx_aquarian@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

I totally smirched him in the parking lot.

[-] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Dude got a college degree in particle physics and thinks he so smart 🤓, that he think he also knows about American politics (a country he doesn't even live in) 🤦‍♂️

[-] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Proton is not the sum total of one of its board members.

[-] safesyrup@feddit.org 4 points 1 week ago

Do you have any sources for that?

[-] ultranaut@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

It was discussed in real time across Lemmy with links to Mastodon and Reddit where the CEO and the official Proton account made various partisan statements that have destroyed Protons reputation. I didn't save links but I'm sure you can dig them up easily enough.

[-] safesyrup@feddit.org 12 points 1 week ago

https://archive.ph/quYyb Guess you‘re right, fuck me man.

[-] DadVolante@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

What's a good alternative?

[-] ultranaut@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

I'm not sure yet. I'm waiting until my current sub is closer to renewal before I take any action, not counting the emails to the Proton Foundation expressing my disappointment.

[-] crank0271@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

One of the posts discussing it https://lemmy.ca/post/37218429

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[-] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago

Buy a domain name and put that on the service provider of your choice.

I have no basis by which to choose a service provider.

[-] traches@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Fastmail has been great for me for years now

[-] JetpackJackson@feddit.org 7 points 1 week ago

I personally use Migadu for email + Porkbun for the domain, prices and service are great imo

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[-] earphone843@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

I use Proton, but I also use their VPN and password manager. Aliases are also nice.

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[-] EvacuateSoul@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

But do not host your own email server unless you hate yourself.

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[-] bigkahuna1986@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago

This. Always use your own domain.

[-] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 18 points 1 week ago
[-] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago

that's a dope effect on mobile

[-] PetteriPano@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

Bring your own domain.

You don't want to be locked in to one mail provider for life. Just bring your domain when you leave.

I've had mine since 2010. First on Gmail, then proton and now purelymail. Gmail is evil. Proton is pricy, and more so if you have several domains. Purelymail is very affordable in comparison.

[-] Breve@pawb.social 9 points 1 week ago

I recently set up some domains with FastMail at the recommendation of some other Lemmy users. Cheap, easy setup, all the features I wanted, and problem free so far!

[-] Brewchin@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

I've been with them for 6 years and haven't looked back.

[-] pushECX@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Yep, FastMail has been great in my experience! I use a few domains with them. Never had any issues.

[-] dkc@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I use FastMail as well. I actually went from FastMail to Proton, and then back to FastMail.

I configure a lot of my home networking equipment and servers to send me emails for things like installing software updates, reboots, and any possible security issues. I couldn’t make that work with Proton not supporting any standard mail protocols (I know about Bridge, but it requires a GUI, and I didn’t want to use a third party program).

[-] asudox@lemmy.asudox.dev 9 points 1 week ago

As always, I recommend Posteo. It's cheap (1€/mo), allows third party apps and at least their website doesn't have any trackers or ads. Probably the best paid one out there.

[-] Creat@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 week ago

Personally I've heard very good things about mailbox.org

It can be paid anonymously, if you want. There is no (real) free option, and you didn't mention if you were only looking at those, but your examples are mostly free.

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[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 8 points 1 week ago

So when it comes to encryption for digital data there are really two concerns:

  1. encrypted at rest
  2. encrypted in transit

Your options for encrypted email providers are limited:

and Protonmail seems incorrect for this because it largely wouldn't be encrypted mail.

I'm curious why you think so?

Proton's inboxes are encrypted, so that's (1) handled.

For (2), Proton-to-Proton emails are automatically encrypted. Proton-to-WKD-enabled-services are also automatically encrypted:

Proton also supports automatic external key discovery with Web Key Directory (WKD). This means that emails sent to other providers which use WKD will be automatically encrypted with OpenPGP as well, without the need to manually exchange public PGP keys with your contacts.

And finally, emails to non-secure services can be encrypted, but you must provide the decryption password to the receiver through some other method. These emails can also be configured to automatically delete after a set expiration time.

This is the most feature-complete encrypted email service that I'm aware of, it basically covers all cases that it is possible for Proton to cover on their own service, anything more would require cooperation from the other service(s). No email service could possibly force an inbound email to be encrypted in transit, the sending service has to do that, and that's really the only part that Proton doesn't have a feature for (because it's impossible). If encryption is your concern, I don't think there are any better options right now.

No email service could possibly force an inbound email to be encrypted in transit, the sending service has to do that, and that’s really the only part that Proton doesn’t have a feature for (because it’s impossible).

This is what I meant by "it largely wouldn't be encrypted mail." I'm looking for an email address to open a Pixelfed, Peertube and probably Mastodon and Loops account, among others. Trying to separate "content creation" from my personal accounts and email address. This account will likely be public-facing and will receive normal everyday email, from the various instances I sign up with plus maybe a viewer if anyone ever watches anything I make. The automatic encryption features of Protonmail don't seem that useful for this use case. Just need an email address that my bank hasn't heard of.

[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 3 points 1 week ago

Hmm, I'm not sure what you expect... if an email service sends in the clear, the only place that can be fixed is at the service itself.

Having the inbox for these accounts encrypted would seem to be important though, so that you can maintain control of them.

I don't care if messages are encrypted at all in this case, the entire reason I mentioned encryption is to say "I don't need the feature this service is most known for."

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[-] mosscap@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 week ago

I use Tuta for multiple domains and it's been an amazing experience so far.

[-] rikudou@lemmings.world 3 points 1 week ago

Note that Proton is cool even if not encrypted. I have pretty much a single contact who uses it and all the other messages are thus unencrypted. Still feels good to not use Gmail.

[-] pixelatedpotato@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago

Depending on how you feel about current leadership, you should probably be aware of comments made by Proton’s ceo

https://lemmy.ca/post/37218429

[-] rikudou@lemmings.world 4 points 1 week ago

I know, but I'm tired of it. So he's a rich dick. Everything I do gives money to some rich dick. Everything you do does so as well. And I'm tired of making my life harder just so a different rich dick gets my money.

Emails between a Proton address to another Proton address are encrypted, except the subject line (idk why they don't encrypt that too? 🤷‍♂️)

[-] nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 week ago

I use mailbox.org with my own domains. And I encrypt my inbox using a PGP key I manage myself.

My setup is pretty much the same what Proton gives out of the box, I just manage my own keys rather than replying on the company.

Yes, my provider can see my unencrypted mails before my key encrypts it, but I trust them enough and I don't pass sensitive information using emails.

[-] hperrin@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

I run https://port87.com/

It’s not quite ready to bring in your own domain, but it works for an email on @port87.com, and you get basically unlimited email addresses. I’m trying to grow it by word of mouth for now, and when it’s ready for business class email (own domain, user management, etc) I’m going to advertise it.

[-] thezeesystem 2 points 1 week ago

Iirc my email on proton is encrypted. I believe I set it up that way. Good provider for me.

[-] Mysticpickle@lemmy.cafe 5 points 1 week ago

Before the CEO of Proton came out as a nutjob I might have been inclined to agree...

[-] Zomg@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'm happy with Fastmail. Making masked emails is great to me, and you can bring your own domain with you. It also is integrated with 1password.

[-] 3dmvr@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

Namecrane is hella cheap for lifetime rnow 70$ 250gb storage 15 sites, or 10$ a year reocurring 100gb storage 15 sites (I have this one), fast and easy to setup.

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