Ah, yes.
Trump will surely change his mind after reading their sternly written letter, because as we all know, Trump truly cares about science.
Changing his mind isn't the goal. He constantly already does that for the highest bidder. The people who have to enforce this stuff and the courts that have to rule on it are the ones who need to be well aware of its nonsense, and the bigger of a mess that causes, the better.
He totally reads written reports too.
And he can't read, at least not big words with more than 2 syllables.
conflates sex and gender
I read the order. It explicitly avoids defining gender and says that only sex should be used everywhere (which it does define, but incorrectly).
It basically says that the government doesn't care about your gender, they just want to know what's in your pants (or used to be).
they just want to know what’s in your pants (or used to be).
At the moment of conception....
Of course that's the real poison pill of this. The real intention is to declare personhood at conception... and pave the way for the nation wide abortion ban. Making things worse for trans people, is just the decoy.
At the moment of conception...
Doesn’t everyone start out female and then become male or stay female?
Conception is literally the point when the sperm fertilizes the egg:
Conception (or fertilization) is when sperm and an egg join together.
At that point it's not anything, it's just a fertilized egg. Assigning a sex to it makes no sense at all.
So everyone should be no sex then?
At conception, yes, there is no sexual differentiation. In humans the SRY protein is responsible for a fetus developing male sexual characteristics. The effects of this gene are expressed after week 6 of development:
SRY gene effects normally take place 6–8 weeks after fetus formation which inhibits the female anatomical structural growth in males. It also works towards developing the secondary sexual characteristics of males.
That is, at least a month and a half after conception.
If they declare personhood at conception some pregnant women should demand to be allowed to purchase a life insurance policy, and immediately sue when denied.
The levels of chaos that can come from this are off the charts... Yeah someone can purchase life insurance on an unborn child... at the same time every miscarriage is on the board for manslaughter/homicide, basically leading mothers to prove that the miscariages were not intended or negligent. The ramifications and definitions of things are outright terrifying.
Critics warned it advances anti-trans rhetoric
Hmmm yes this floor appears to made of floor.
Imagine; all of this to prevent trans folks from using the women’s restroom… but now we can all use the women’s restroom by way of Executive Order. What a time to be alive!
I'm pretty sure now we all MUST use the women's restroom as we're all legally female.
I thought he declared one sex?
Executive order ‘ripped’, or maybe ‘blasted’ or whatever the latest word for ‘we made some tiny lil vid or headline saying maybe it wasn’t the best.’ I’m so sick of it. Sick of the way media portrays things. That’s it, the media has been SLAMMED by me, ripped, blasted, smoked! Whatever bullshit that basically means ‘we disagree, but have no teeth’ bleh
Right? Add to that, that the reasoning they always use is reasoning that no longer applies.
Stop wasting time with open letters, and arguing about the wording of laws and orders whose intents are crystal clear, and will be carried out in the way it was always intended regardless of any stupid fucking technicality you think you found.
Trump's new sex definitions are impossible for anyone to meet. Everyone is legally nonbinary now. https://medium.com/@viridiangrail/trump-says-americans-are-all-intersex-not-female-b31f97ffd80d
I don’t necessarily support the law, but your take saying “everyone is legally nonbinary” is ridiculous. At conception, if you were able to remove and examine the genetic material in the cell, it would absolutely be apparent if it was XY or XX.
I love bashing Trump and his idiocy… but this is definitely not the way. It’s embarrassing for us liberals…
You're talking about genotype. They define sex based on phenotype. It assumes that the genotype can only be binary (it can be X0, XXY, XYY etc). It also assumes that genotype equates with phenotype, which is also wrong given in utero hormonal exposures, testosterone insensitivity, etc.
The WH definition makes no sense for anybody familiar with biology beyond 10th grade level.
Nope, I’m not. But thank you for your “contribution”.
Your karyotype doesn't determine what kind of gamete you produce.
See for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_insensitivity_syndrome
AFAIK we don't have any way to determine this before sex differentiation actually occurs. When sex differentiation occurs it happens as a response to hormones, not karyotype. It's possible that environment could be the determining factor, as is the case with freemartins.
So no, it's not an exaggeration nor embarrassing to say that nobody meets the order's definition of male or female.
The WH accidentally invented Schrödinger's Sex.
Of course it's also wrong because unlike dead/alive sex is a bimodally distributed continuum we binarize for simplicity. Also, don't look up the Schrödinger dude's sexual preferences because you'll puke. But that stays on brand too.
Wow this place is no better than Reddit. You can be incredibly wrong and still get all of those upvotes! Amazing!
no u
However, the law doesn't talk about genotype. It talks about gametes. Embryos don't produce gametes. The law does not specify a difference.
My point still stands but thank you for “contributing”.
Your point is taken poorly because you raise issue with people giving deservedly nonsensical interpretations to a nonsensical definition, while giving a pass on WH calling their definition an "incontrovertible biological truth".
But they're not talking about its effect on egg prices
Don't you understand? You were the egg this whole time.
Reminds me of the time someone wanted to define π = 3 because it would be more convenient to calcate with.
(Except bigotry isn't quite the same as convenience, except insofar that it conveniently avoids having to acknowledge complex social issues)
As usual President Felon is talking out his ass, doing nothing for Americans, and being led by the nose by christian fascists. Someone please get that man 25 buckets of KFC. Cardiac event in 3-2...
So they just denied the Judeo-Christian yhwh, because that being is androgyne.
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