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[-] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 32 points 1 day ago

These people are poorly informed, Loops already exists

[-] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

“Exists” yea but not really usable, it’s more raw than Pixelfed

[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 7 points 1 day ago

His "job" is to go on stage places and be overconfident. Being informed is not part of that job.

[-] john89@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 day ago

I swear, we're just witnessing the next power-grab by people richer than us.

Anyone who isn't advocating for Mastodon, the federated option, is either a fool or being fooled.

[-] OmnipresentWalrus@feddit.uk 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

ATP is also federated, and the model is much more scalable than ActivityPub. You're already free to host all of your Bluesky account and all your posts on your own PDS. They're opening up the other services to federation as they reach maturity.

[-] john89@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

and the model is much more scalable than ActivityPub.

How so?

They’re opening up the other services to federation as they reach maturity.

Why are they waiting? Why should we trust them?

[-] OmnipresentWalrus@feddit.uk 2 points 1 day ago

The "how so" is evident if you try to use any of these platforms regularly. ActivityPub based platforms chug slowly and/or just don't load feeds at all. Mastodon and Pixelfed have been very disappointing. The software is heavy to run and the monolithic structure means your provider has to run everything in one stack. If that stack can't keep up with demand at any link in the chain, the whole thing falls over

As for why they're waiting, they're waiting on public release because they're in active development. They are working with a number of independent devs. This is all explained in the ATP documentation.

As for why you should trust them, the question is trust them with what? If you don't trust them with holding your data, self host your PDS and you can host your account and all it's posts yourself. If you don't trust their feed, you can use one of the community's many other feed algorithm options.

Personally I don't have a problem with the current "distributed data, centralised presentation" model since you still have the option to select your own feeds.

I highly recommend reading both the ActivityPub and ATP docs as they're both freely available and easy to read. The difference in design philosophy is apparent in both, and anyone who's ever worked on webscale projects will be able to see why ATPs more distributed model is more scalable.

[-] john89@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

ActivityPub based platforms chug slowly and/or just don’t load feeds at all.

I don't have this issue. Maybe it's your internet connection or you're just lying.

As for why they’re waiting, they’re waiting on public release because they’re in active development. They are working with a number of independent devs. This is all explained in the ATP documentation.

Yeah, this sounds like bullshit to placate people like you / what you're told to tell others. This is not a legitimate reason to wait for a public release. Hopefully anyone reading this can judge for themselves.

As for why you should trust them, the question is trust them with what?

Trust them with "opening up the other services to federation as they reach maturity." Why are you ignoring this part and supplementing your own? I assume it's because you don't have a legitimate answer and you're trying to derail and distract.

Of course, you try to send me off and say "just read this, bro. It's all explained here." No. I'm here to scrutinize your support for this centralized, private platform.

Right now, your reasons for supporting it are incorrect at best and malicious at worst.

Everyone reading this: be careful of viral marketing. It's cheaper and more effective for these businesses to advertise their product by having people argue for it like this guy right here than it is to buy an ad on TV or something.

[-] WammKD 1 points 1 day ago

Incidentally, Christine Webber (who probably knows a bit about the subject) was going over how decentralized BlueSky really is or not (spoiler, it's not): https://social.coop/@cwebber/113527462572885698

[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 day ago

Yes I am also curious why you say one is more scalable. What's the diff?

[-] OmnipresentWalrus@feddit.uk 5 points 1 day ago

ActivityPub based platforms (Mastodon, Pixelfed) are monolithic services. You have to run the entire instance (account hosting, feed generation, moderation etc.) all in one place on one machine.

While you can do work with loads balancing to manage high traffic moments, this approach is still brittle to spikes in load.

ATP separates each of these services and handles how's these services communicate and operate. I can't really explain it better than their documentation, but one easy example to point to is how you can self-hodt your own PDS (Personal Data Server) which stores your account data and posts, meaning you can keep it stored entirely on your own hardware separate from whoever provides your feed building and presentation service.

I'd highly recommend reading both the ATP and ActivityPub documentation as both are very well written and communicated these differences more effectively.

If I have to explain why separation of concerns in the way that ATP approaches things is more scalable, I might suggest doing some reading on web application architecture patterns and the pros, cons, and practical applications of each.

The TL;DR version is that if the different components of your application run independently of each other, it's easier to have redundancy and extra resources in place for the specific components that require it.

This is also helpful for federation, as the end goal of ATP is to be able to host your personal data where you want, use the feed builder that you want, the labeller that you want, the app view that you want, regardless of who runs each service.

[-] doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago

Stupid. There are already alternatives. Nobody wants them.

No matter how good you make it, now that tiktok was taken from people any app will just be the tiktok replacement being forced on us instead of a worthwhile social media unto itself.

It's not like twitter which sold its own soul and was subsequently run into the ground. I think any attempt to replace tiktok will just piss people off, especially if they're clearly American corporate enterprises.

[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 day ago

Zuckerberg is giggling at you.

[-] Ketchup@reddthat.com 28 points 1 day ago

No. Fuck you Mark. Corpocrats don’t get it. The community likes this momentum. We like meeting Chinese people. We like the fediverse. Stop trying to charge us for the use of the public square

[-] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 day ago

why are they so hellbound on avoiding the fediverse

[-] Evotech@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago
[-] GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

There is, just not a lot and not for a giant central company that controls it.

You can have a private instance, you can have premium accounts on instances, companies can have their own instance.

There is

Compared to what corporate has it's basically no money...

[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 day ago

No money in Twitter either

Yeah it's kinda sad, that open source gets so little love in terms of money.

I would hope that the EU may help here, and in very small steps, that is true, but there could be so much more money (which would still be very little to the EU) that would have a significant effect there.

[-] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Rich people = successful therefore they should control everything because its obviously the only way for that thing to be successful because success = revenue. According to rich people that is.

[-] ladnopivo@lemm.ee 64 points 2 days ago

There’s a fediverse alternative made by same people who have made pixelfed called Loops Link

[-] andMoonsValue@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Have you used loops? I tried to sign up and its been ~6 hours without a verification email. Its great they have a testflight app on iOS but I've been looking for an android apk with no luck. I really want a federated tik tok to blow up but I'm finding it hard to even get set up.

[-] doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago

Yeah, it's an impressive tech showcase for such a small Dev team... But it's pretty lackluster as a tiktok replacement.

That verify email will come, but don't expect a mountain of quality content once it does

[-] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I used it and it's very disappointing, the content feels like that old website that showed you YouTube videos with 0 views.

[-] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

It'll probably be another day or two before you get the email. It'll have a link to an APK to download.

[-] andMoonsValue@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Good to know, thanks!

[-] 3dmvr@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

one thing red note nails is easily letting you use the background music of another video for your video, that bare minimum needs to be in loops

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[-] Pika@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago

Loops has some work if it ever wants to really blow up. I crashed constantly while using it the other day, and it's feature set needs work. It has potential though.

Isn't loops just the pixelfed instance run by the developer?

[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago

Loops is even less federated that Blue Sky, meaning not at all. (It's on the roadmap, though.)

[-] uiiiq@lemm.ee 21 points 2 days ago

Given the track record of blue sky and pixelfed, I would out my money on pixelfed.

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[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 81 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

wtf ever happened to vine?

edit TIL tldr: bought by twitter and killed. founders tried to build a new one in 2020 and died in 2023.

[-] smeenz@lemmy.nz 10 points 1 day ago

The founders died in 2023 ?

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[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Ffs, money really is evil, and more monies are more evil.

Just imagine using your money not in exchange for getting even more money ...

Anything that feeds on itself is bound to be sinister.

Just promote and support loops, ya bastard.

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 39 points 2 days ago

Video will not work for AT whatsoever. Text and images, fine, but I'm pretty sure leveraging edge delivery of video is just not going to work out well for users. I think they'll need a centralized host for that portion, or some fancy ways to offload bandwidth otherwise to prevent constant hammering of popular videos.

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 6 points 1 day ago

PeerTube uses WebTorrent technology. Each server hosts a torrent tracker and each web browser viewing a video also shares it. This allows to share the load between the server itself and the clients as well as the bandwidth used through P2P technology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PeerTube

Yes, and it's incredibly slow and wouldn't scale to millions of users. If one user is high bandwidth, and another low, you'd have uneven distribution of traffic for a newly connecting user, meaning the entirety of whatever you're about to watch won't be completed in time for a good user interaction flow. The issue isn't whether it's technically possible or not, but if it's functional enough for similar traffic as TikTok.

The other issue with torrenting is that a lot of users may incur data charges if the service were to be constantly seeding other users on limited data plans or with data or speed caps in general. It's just not the right tool for the job.

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