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[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 82 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

wtf ever happened to vine?

edit TIL tldr: bought by twitter and killed. founders tried to build a new one in 2020 and died in 2023.

[-] smeenz@lemmy.nz 10 points 1 month ago

The founders died in 2023 ?

[-] ladnopivo@lemm.ee 65 points 1 month ago

There’s a fediverse alternative made by same people who have made pixelfed called Loops Link

[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago

Loops is even less federated that Blue Sky, meaning not at all. (It's on the roadmap, though.)

[-] uiiiq@lemm.ee 22 points 1 month ago

Given the track record of blue sky and pixelfed, I would out my money on pixelfed.

[-] Pika@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago

Loops has some work if it ever wants to really blow up. I crashed constantly while using it the other day, and it's feature set needs work. It has potential though.

[-] andMoonsValue@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Have you used loops? I tried to sign up and its been ~6 hours without a verification email. Its great they have a testflight app on iOS but I've been looking for an android apk with no luck. I really want a federated tik tok to blow up but I'm finding it hard to even get set up.

[-] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I used it and it's very disappointing, the content feels like that old website that showed you YouTube videos with 0 views.

[-] doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago

Yeah, it's an impressive tech showcase for such a small Dev team... But it's pretty lackluster as a tiktok replacement.

That verify email will come, but don't expect a mountain of quality content once it does

[-] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

It'll probably be another day or two before you get the email. It'll have a link to an APK to download.

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[-] kat@orbi.camp 4 points 1 month ago

Tho Cuban is asking specifically for ATProto. Guess loops could pivot lol

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[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 39 points 1 month ago

Video will not work for AT whatsoever. Text and images, fine, but I'm pretty sure leveraging edge delivery of video is just not going to work out well for users. I think they'll need a centralized host for that portion, or some fancy ways to offload bandwidth otherwise to prevent constant hammering of popular videos.

[-] Chozo@fedia.io 18 points 1 month ago

Could implement torrents, which I believe is how Peertube handles it.

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

You apparently do not internet. Anything with a wait time is not an app platform people will use.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 18 points 1 month ago
[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

109ms response time was the goal circa 2009. Now, with the advent of Kubernetes, response time as are in seconds. Proxies on top of proxies cost request time. Users will abandon.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 15 points 1 month ago

some fancy ways to offload bandwidth otherwise to prevent constant hammering of popular videos

it's called a CDN

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

CDN won't scale to millions of users all uploading videos on a decentralized system. Article is specifically talking about AT Protocol which doesn't account for video. Making a global CDN distribution of videos from decentralized sources is whole other ball of wax.

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[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 6 points 1 month ago

PeerTube uses WebTorrent technology. Each server hosts a torrent tracker and each web browser viewing a video also shares it. This allows to share the load between the server itself and the clients as well as the bandwidth used through P2P technology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PeerTube

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Yes, and it's incredibly slow and wouldn't scale to millions of users. If one user is high bandwidth, and another low, you'd have uneven distribution of traffic for a newly connecting user, meaning the entirety of whatever you're about to watch won't be completed in time for a good user interaction flow. The issue isn't whether it's technically possible or not, but if it's functional enough for similar traffic as TikTok.

The other issue with torrenting is that a lot of users may incur data charges if the service were to be constantly seeding other users on limited data plans or with data or speed caps in general. It's just not the right tool for the job.

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[-] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 33 points 1 month ago

These people are poorly informed, Loops already exists

[-] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

“Exists” yea but not really usable, it’s more raw than Pixelfed

[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 7 points 1 month ago

His "job" is to go on stage places and be overconfident. Being informed is not part of that job.

[-] Ketchup@reddthat.com 29 points 1 month ago

No. Fuck you Mark. Corpocrats don’t get it. The community likes this momentum. We like meeting Chinese people. We like the fediverse. Stop trying to charge us for the use of the public square

[-] john89@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 month ago

I swear, we're just witnessing the next power-grab by people richer than us.

Anyone who isn't advocating for Mastodon, the federated option, is either a fool or being fooled.

[-] OmnipresentWalrus@feddit.uk 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

ATP is also federated, and the model is much more scalable than ActivityPub. You're already free to host all of your Bluesky account and all your posts on your own PDS. They're opening up the other services to federation as they reach maturity.

[-] john89@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

and the model is much more scalable than ActivityPub.

How so?

They’re opening up the other services to federation as they reach maturity.

Why are they waiting? Why should we trust them?

[-] OmnipresentWalrus@feddit.uk 2 points 1 month ago

The "how so" is evident if you try to use any of these platforms regularly. ActivityPub based platforms chug slowly and/or just don't load feeds at all. Mastodon and Pixelfed have been very disappointing. The software is heavy to run and the monolithic structure means your provider has to run everything in one stack. If that stack can't keep up with demand at any link in the chain, the whole thing falls over

As for why they're waiting, they're waiting on public release because they're in active development. They are working with a number of independent devs. This is all explained in the ATP documentation.

As for why you should trust them, the question is trust them with what? If you don't trust them with holding your data, self host your PDS and you can host your account and all it's posts yourself. If you don't trust their feed, you can use one of the community's many other feed algorithm options.

Personally I don't have a problem with the current "distributed data, centralised presentation" model since you still have the option to select your own feeds.

I highly recommend reading both the ActivityPub and ATP docs as they're both freely available and easy to read. The difference in design philosophy is apparent in both, and anyone who's ever worked on webscale projects will be able to see why ATPs more distributed model is more scalable.

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[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 month ago

Yes I am also curious why you say one is more scalable. What's the diff?

[-] OmnipresentWalrus@feddit.uk 6 points 1 month ago

ActivityPub based platforms (Mastodon, Pixelfed) are monolithic services. You have to run the entire instance (account hosting, feed generation, moderation etc.) all in one place on one machine.

While you can do work with loads balancing to manage high traffic moments, this approach is still brittle to spikes in load.

ATP separates each of these services and handles how's these services communicate and operate. I can't really explain it better than their documentation, but one easy example to point to is how you can self-hodt your own PDS (Personal Data Server) which stores your account data and posts, meaning you can keep it stored entirely on your own hardware separate from whoever provides your feed building and presentation service.

I'd highly recommend reading both the ATP and ActivityPub documentation as both are very well written and communicated these differences more effectively.

If I have to explain why separation of concerns in the way that ATP approaches things is more scalable, I might suggest doing some reading on web application architecture patterns and the pros, cons, and practical applications of each.

The TL;DR version is that if the different components of your application run independently of each other, it's easier to have redundancy and extra resources in place for the specific components that require it.

This is also helpful for federation, as the end goal of ATP is to be able to host your personal data where you want, use the feed builder that you want, the labeller that you want, the app view that you want, regardless of who runs each service.

[-] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 month ago

why are they so hellbound on avoiding the fediverse

[-] Evotech@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago
[-] GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

There is, just not a lot and not for a giant central company that controls it.

You can have a private instance, you can have premium accounts on instances, companies can have their own instance.

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[-] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

Rich people = successful therefore they should control everything because its obviously the only way for that thing to be successful because success = revenue. According to rich people that is.

[-] doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 month ago

Stupid. There are already alternatives. Nobody wants them.

No matter how good you make it, now that tiktok was taken from people any app will just be the tiktok replacement being forced on us instead of a worthwhile social media unto itself.

It's not like twitter which sold its own soul and was subsequently run into the ground. I think any attempt to replace tiktok will just piss people off, especially if they're clearly American corporate enterprises.

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[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Ffs, money really is evil, and more monies are more evil.

Just imagine using your money not in exchange for getting even more money ...

Anything that feeds on itself is bound to be sinister.

Just promote and support loops, ya bastard.

[-] seven_phone@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Kids use tiktok and they don't want something their dad built, however safe. They are migrating to rednote because it's not safe.

[-] atrielienz@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

They are throwing a tantrum in the stupidest way possible.

[-] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

The 200 iq move is to join it and tell them how cool it is. Then they won't like it.

[-] TheMinions@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Eh. I tried this with TikTok. Didn’t work.

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[-] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

Because we can totally trust the oligarchs to build something safe for us.

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[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

Lol, this explanation is about as plausible as the "threat" of strangers offering me free drugs (which I must definitely say no to, rofl).

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[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

What the hell is going on with his pinky finger?

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[-] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 2 points 1 month ago
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