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[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 60 points 5 days ago

🤝 our governments are committing war crimes

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 24 points 5 days ago

Solidarity amongst the working class!

[-] nomy@lemmy.zip 8 points 4 days ago

Ultimately we have more in common with a normal Chinese person just trying to live their lives than any of us do with our ruling classes. I'm sure those same ruling classes would rather us be less aware of that fact.

[-] ChillPenguin@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

Idk why there's such a pissing match in this post. Like honestly. Both our governments are shit. Why is this even a debate as to whose government is committing war crimes more? Your comment is the best comment here by far.

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 12 points 4 days ago

If a serial murderer told you that their victims were actually much worse than they are, would you believe them?

Yet the source of pretty much all anti-china atrocity propaganda is the US and its orgs like the victims of communism foundation. They want you to believe every single country they hate, China, Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, etc... are guilty of the same crimes they are. Why do you believe them?

[-] TheBeege@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

I might have laughed out loud on a silent bus. But worth it

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago

They are both wrong.

The correct way is to argue passionately that your country has committed the MOST war crimes/genocides/human rights violations. Ya know, bragging rights.

[-] Saleh@feddit.org 8 points 4 days ago

Deutschland betritt den Raum...

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[-] Deestan@lemmy.world 64 points 6 days ago

Which country allows their citizens to openly speak about and protest said war crimes?

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 92 points 6 days ago

Americans have jesters privilege. We can say anything we want as long as it doesn't matter. As soon as the government thinks it might matter, they have a million tools to silence you.

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 days ago

This is horse shit. There are examples of protests being countered (e.g. When Trump gassed protesters and clergy members to hold a Bible up upside down at their church), but these examples are rare and those people weren't actually "silenced". They told everyone about what happened.

Americans have freedom of speech protected by our constitution. China, on the other hand, has actual laws dictating against many forms of speech.

For example... "The PRC bans certain content regarding independence movements in Tibet and Taiwan, the religious movement Falun Gong, democracy, the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre, Maoism, corruption, police brutality, anarchism, gossip, disparity of wealth, and food safety scandals."

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_China#:~:text=The%20PRC%20bans%20certain%20content,wealth%2C%20and%20food%20safety%20scandals

[-] Saleh@feddit.org 5 points 4 days ago

The US cracked down on Gaza protests quite harshly. Many states enact book bans these days and some ban topics like slavery from schools. Also historically protests against Vietnam were partly gunned down. The black panthers were often murdered and in fighting them the US even bombed one of its own towns. Red Scare was huge and Ernest Hemmingway was probably driven to his suicide by FBI surveillance, for which he was called paranoid but later proofed real by declassified files.

Censorship in China goes farther, but the US is far from being a free speech haven or ever having been that.

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[-] EldritchFeminity 40 points 5 days ago

Andrew Wimmer was handcuffed and taken to jail on January 22, 2003 because he refused to protest in a ""designated protest zone"" that was out of sight of the President as well as local and national TV news cameras.

A woman, armed with a ""We Love You Bush"" sign showed up at the same corner shortly after Wimmer's arrest. Wimmer asked the police if they were going to arrest her if she didn't move and they said, ""no."" The police also allegedly blocked the national press camera crews and an AP reporter from approaching the protest zone to do reporting.

https://www.aclu.org/documents/dissent-forced-be-out-sight-and-out-mind

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 19 points 5 days ago

China, but also the PRC hasn't been in a war in like 50+ years. Meanwhile the US killed a million innocent people in Iraq, and goes after whistleblowers like Assange, Snowden, and Manning for speaking out about its war crimes. And the Obama administration prosecuted a record number of whistleblowers, and had a zero tolerance policy towards them.

[-] belastend@slrpnk.net 9 points 5 days ago

Try to talk about the Tiananmen Square in China, Monsieur Jacques I.

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 17 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

What about the Tiananmen square massacre?

[-] Grapho@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 days ago

But the tank

Checkmate commies

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[-] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

"haha if you say tiananmen square in a league of legends match the Chinese get banned" is your source

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 19 points 6 days ago

Well the US doesn't. China is hard to say because it's not constantly at war

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[-] MissJinx@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago

¿Porque no los dos?

[-] Shezzagrad@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 days ago

Name 5 Chinese war crimes,I'll wait 😎

[-] Malek061@lemmy.world 34 points 4 days ago
  1. Dragging anchor in the baltic and cutting cables.
  2. Ramming Philippine ships and assaulting sailors.
  3. Genocide of the Uyghers.
  4. Tibet genocide.
  5. The rampant illegal fishing in every other countries coastline.
[-] Strawberry 13 points 4 days ago

#4 is like claiming the Union committed genocide against enslaved people in the Confederacy by abolishing slavery

[-] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago
[-] Strawberry 1 points 2 days ago

Tibet operated under a ruthless feudal system until the PLA came

[-] Shezzagrad@lemmy.ml 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

1 isn't a war crimes lmao 2 isn't a war crime 3. Isn't a war crime nor is there proof. Literal unbacked western propaganda, wanna know what is backed? Gaza, By the west and Sudan genocide by America via UAE RIGHT NOW, you can literally watch it unfold on all social media 4. Perhaps, I would need to do more research on this one, but didn't you got 3 wrong, I wouldn't be surprised if your wrong again. 5. Not a war crime

Edit: no idea how to do formatting on the phone, I apologise

[-] Malek061@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago

Crimes against humanity are war crimes. Looting is a war crime. Invasion of a sovereign nation is an act of war. Stealing their resources is looting. Genocide is a crime against humanity and Tibet and the Uyghers are in one.

Wolf warriors that bury their head in the sand will suffocate under the lies.

China has been real bad.

[-] volodya_ilich@lemm.ee 9 points 4 days ago

Uyghers are in one

There is no post-2021 evidence whatsoever of human right abuses of any sort in the Xinjiang province against Uyghur people. You can try to find stuff but you won't find anything, I dare you to send me a single article that has an actual reference to actual evidence of post-2021 human right abuses. Send me an article and point to the actual reference within the article. I dare you.

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[-] Shezzagrad@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 days ago

Crimes against humanity aren't war crimes. You're reading comprehension is lacking my friend. The war in war crimes means warfare.

Speaking of genocides. You have mentioned two. Most genocides on the planet are actively done by America and it's allies or it supplies the weapons and silences the media.

Considering China having 5 times the population of america. Id say china has been very good comparatively on the world. Also nothing to say how 4 of 5 of your war crimes weren't at all war crimes??

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[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 days ago

Please list sources for any of these. Preferably not from US or british state media.

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[-] Shezzagrad@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 days ago

Here's 5 actual war crimes

  1. My Lai massacre Vietnam - America
  2. Iraq invasion (there's thousands within this one including Abu ghraib) -america/nato 3- dressing up as medical personnel and massacring a refugee camp to save 1 person in gaza- Israel and America 4- a host of lesser known but many technical war crimes in Afghanistan like bombing undefended villages and towns https://www.culawreview.org/journal/double-standards-in-international-law-did-the-us-get-away-with-war-crimes-in-afghanistan 5- raping children and murdering their family. This is American tactic in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria with many documented cases
[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 days ago

What do you chuds not understand about "two countries are committing war crimes"? You asked about China and got an answer about China. You're trying to convince us who's the second worst empire.

[-] Shezzagrad@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 days ago

I think you're missing the WAR part of the WAR CRIME. I thought you'd realise by now, but you're really digging yourself a hole. Funny thing is there are wars you could have mentioned and war crimes. The point of original comment was to draw our those without any knowledge like you 😜

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[-] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

yes we are now doing exactly what the meme at the top of the page is doing.

fyi: two spaces at the end of a line will format that correctly as a newline

 

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[-] belastend@slrpnk.net 10 points 5 days ago

Finally, a sane take

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