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[-] Deestan@lemmy.world 64 points 5 days ago

Which country allows their citizens to openly speak about and protest said war crimes?

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 92 points 5 days ago

Americans have jesters privilege. We can say anything we want as long as it doesn't matter. As soon as the government thinks it might matter, they have a million tools to silence you.

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 days ago

This is horse shit. There are examples of protests being countered (e.g. When Trump gassed protesters and clergy members to hold a Bible up upside down at their church), but these examples are rare and those people weren't actually "silenced". They told everyone about what happened.

Americans have freedom of speech protected by our constitution. China, on the other hand, has actual laws dictating against many forms of speech.

For example... "The PRC bans certain content regarding independence movements in Tibet and Taiwan, the religious movement Falun Gong, democracy, the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre, Maoism, corruption, police brutality, anarchism, gossip, disparity of wealth, and food safety scandals."

Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_China#:~:text=The%20PRC%20bans%20certain%20content,wealth%2C%20and%20food%20safety%20scandals

[-] Saleh@feddit.org 5 points 4 days ago

The US cracked down on Gaza protests quite harshly. Many states enact book bans these days and some ban topics like slavery from schools. Also historically protests against Vietnam were partly gunned down. The black panthers were often murdered and in fighting them the US even bombed one of its own towns. Red Scare was huge and Ernest Hemmingway was probably driven to his suicide by FBI surveillance, for which he was called paranoid but later proofed real by declassified files.

Censorship in China goes farther, but the US is far from being a free speech haven or ever having been that.

[-] rational_lib@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

As soon as ~~the government~~ oligarchs who own the media think~~s~~ it might matter, they have a million tools to silence you.

But it's also worth noting that the Chinese don't even have that. At least in America, you can get your message out by getting a billionaire to agree with you.

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I thought the Jester's job was to say stuff that DID matter, but he presented it in a way where the king could save face.

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Looking it up, it's unclear how much jesters were respected for having political competency that kings and court would listen to vs how much they were were entertainers who were permitted much greater liberty with content because he was non-threatening and affected nothing.

[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 51 points 5 days ago
[-] HandBash@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

Did they bring in some tanks as well? Or if they did are we allowed to talk about it?

[-] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Outside of "Chinese man gets removed from his league of legends match cause a player talked about tiananmen square" memes, what do you know about Chinese censorship?

Talking out your ass

[-] HandBash@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

When was the last demonstration made against central leadership? Or everyone just loves it there? Why do they have a firewall that blocks youtube?

[-] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

I'm gonna answer that last one cause it's the only one I know lol.

So you know how we are banning tiktok because we are afraid of China influencing America? So fun fact, America does that. We are like, cultural colonists. We have created a sort of global super culture that has gotten into every countries lives.

And we have 100% used that as a sort of "in" with locals in countries we were not friends and then we would use that influence to radicalize the right wing ideologies in the country and cause destabilization and, all things going well, revolutions. See: all of south America and the Middle East (hi Afghanistan).

So with all that in mind. With the world's greatest super power systematically using its cultural influence as a soft power start with encouraging revolutions in your country for its own geo political gain. All that in mind. It's kinda the most obvious move in the world. The US is doing it right now because they "perceived" it happening to us. If China became a big cultural export to the world you'd bet your ass that we would great firewall ourselves off. We just don't have to. Because we are big dog. Woof woof. And China don't have a large amount of cultural export.

Sidenote. A Chinese company, tencent was making investments into videogames. They own riot who make league of legends and they have been getting their finger into a lot of studios for that sweet gamer money. The US gov said this game investment company is "apart of the Chinese military" lol.

[-] HandBash@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

I know that they don't like people asking for a free Tibet and independence for Hong Kong. Are there any good mainstream Chinese media articles that talk about these subjects?

[-] EldritchFeminity 40 points 5 days ago

Andrew Wimmer was handcuffed and taken to jail on January 22, 2003 because he refused to protest in a ""designated protest zone"" that was out of sight of the President as well as local and national TV news cameras.

A woman, armed with a ""We Love You Bush"" sign showed up at the same corner shortly after Wimmer's arrest. Wimmer asked the police if they were going to arrest her if she didn't move and they said, ""no."" The police also allegedly blocked the national press camera crews and an AP reporter from approaching the protest zone to do reporting.

https://www.aclu.org/documents/dissent-forced-be-out-sight-and-out-mind

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 44 points 5 days ago
[-] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 days ago

Can you post pictures of a tank event in the 80s in China without censoring? Can you talk about these protests ?

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 19 points 5 days ago

China, but also the PRC hasn't been in a war in like 50+ years. Meanwhile the US killed a million innocent people in Iraq, and goes after whistleblowers like Assange, Snowden, and Manning for speaking out about its war crimes. And the Obama administration prosecuted a record number of whistleblowers, and had a zero tolerance policy towards them.

[-] belastend@slrpnk.net 9 points 5 days ago

Try to talk about the Tiananmen Square in China, Monsieur Jacques I.

[-] dessalines@lemmy.ml 17 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

What about the Tiananmen square massacre?

[-] Grapho@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 days ago

But the tank

Checkmate commies

[-] tomatoely@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago

That vimeo link of the spanish tv crew coverage doesn't seem to work for me. Do you happen to have any mirror of it?

[-] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

"haha if you say tiananmen square in a league of legends match the Chinese get banned" is your source

[-] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 19 points 5 days ago

Well the US doesn't. China is hard to say because it's not constantly at war

[-] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

Like, the Netherlands or something maybe?

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 days ago
[-] kautau@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

And the top comment on that video is defending the police, fascism has it’s hold in many places

[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago

The removed of fascism is always in heat

[-] kautau@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

lol .ml censoring your word here is super apropos

[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 days ago

"Fascism is when you have to infer a word from context to avoid being called slurs" (Albert Fascism, creator of the .ml TLD

[-] kautau@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Dang Albert fascism and his choice selection of english

[-] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

Thanks for posting, didn't know about that!

To be fair I mainly wanted to jokingly tell the commentator that both china and the us are guilty of this, so I just mentioned a third country that I thought was decent. Thanks for educating :)

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