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[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 134 points 6 months ago

I wasn't going to play a hero shooter anyway, but fuck this. I just want to go back to arena shooters, server browsers and no stat tracking.

[-] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 20 points 6 months ago

I too yearn for the Quake 3 days.

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[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

They also seem to be following CCP censorship rules. Yay.

Edit: What are the downvotes for, its objectively correct.

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/marvel-rivals-chinese-censorship-controversy

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

What? No zombies or lgbtq relationships?

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

More like no "Free Taiwan" etc. Fuck Asmongold but this gets the point across quickly... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1r16vMbQlk

You cant even type the number "1989" or "Dalai Lama" or "Winnie the Pooh". It would be funny if it wasnt so sad.

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[-] 257m@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago

They haven't gone away. Plenty of Quake 3 Arena servers still up and running. If not Quake 3 Arena, then Xonotic is still pretty active with more modern visuals and pretty good graphics.

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[-] jonathan@lemmy.zip 100 points 6 months ago

Being punished for leaving bot matches is the only issue I'd have with this.

[-] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 44 points 6 months ago

The article says that you do indeed get punished for leaving.

[-] Evotech@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

You don't know if it's a bot match as far as I understood

[-] ComicalMayhem@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

there are ways to tell.

namely steam rolling the opponents. or the enemy team not showing up in your recently played with list.

[-] Yeller_king@reddthat.com 67 points 6 months ago

What people are missing in the comments is that you can choose to play a bot match if that's what you want. But you CAN'T sign up to play against people and guarantee that that's what you'll be doing. And they are not transparent about it.

[-] HuntressHimbo@lemm.ee 44 points 6 months ago

That and also penalizing you for disconnecting from Bot matches is wild

[-] Codilingus@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 months ago

If you queue competitve you're guaranteed human players. And no Crossplay. Not the best solution, but yea...

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

But why? What's the motive behind not just queuing low ranking players with each other?

[-] Yeller_king@reddthat.com 8 points 6 months ago

So, that's how ranked play works and only has humans. Problem is, ranked is awful right now. Even in the lowest ranks matches tend to be hopelessly lopsided. I'm not clear on why but it may be streamers and whatnot creating new accounts to stomp on low ranked people.

It's in quick match where they are inserting bots, and there aren't ranks to use.

[-] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

Would making a rule that new players must play an AI for the first few randomized number of games? That way they could have a chance to gauge the players ability before matching.

[-] Yeller_king@reddthat.com 8 points 6 months ago

Maybe placement matches would help, but if they are intentionally ranking low to stomp on people, I guess they'd throw those matches.

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[-] Exeous@lemmy.world 64 points 6 months ago

Is this problem? Think it make sense and way to learn more mechanics of game.

[-] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 43 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I'm conflicted with this. But it's a problem because the game is not clear about it and you can't choose, the game just put 4 people + 2 bots against 6 bots.

I "tried" to get a bot match yesterday after getting 2 loses in a row, playing with things that I normally don't play and not caring too much with the objective. Took 5 loses in a row to get 1 bot match.

For a person to get a lot of bot matches they need a lot of loses, at that point the person is probably better playing against bot to improve a little bit. But I think the game should suggest to the player to do that instead of forcing and hiding that they are playing against bots.

[-] Xanis@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago

Obfuscation. Corporate figures telling or giving people the option will hurt their feelings so they'll stop playing. A player who quits is no longer a tier two type with the potential to spend money, so they'll only do this if it becomes a PR nightmare that affects their bottom line.

[-] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 months ago

Yep, they don't care if the player is improving, they just want people to not tilt and quit the game.

And I don't think this will be a PR nightmare, played a lot of the game, mostly quick matches and got 1 bot match, not only some people will not get a bot match easily but some people will not even notice.

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[-] Revonult@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago

If I sign up for a match expecting to play against players and get matched with bots I would be upset.

Like most games have options like vs bots or vs players. I think it's a bit ridiculous to not have even that basic control over your game experience. Regardless if you just get crushed.

[-] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

Statistically, people are more upset when they get crushed by other humans.

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[-] teft@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

It’s a problem if you think you’re learning techniques for killing humans but in reality you’re learning tricks to kill AI. There is already a bot match option if people want to learn with no pressure.

[-] Object@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 months ago

It gives people a false sense of being good even if that day was simply not their day. Bot match alone is fine, and it's relaxing in a way, but hiding the fact that they're not fighting against real players is manipulative.

[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago

I think I would actually try the game out if you could purposefully select to play against bots.

[-] Bearbi3@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago

Then try it, because you can do exactly that.

[-] JakenVeina@lemm.ee 26 points 6 months ago

It's rather common Knowledge that NetEase does this exact thing in Narala: Bladepoint, so yeah, not surprising, at all.

I also vaguely remember this being a thing in Pokemon: Unite, not sure if that's also a NetEase game.

[-] Natanael@slrpnk.net 15 points 6 months ago

Pokémon Unite does it sometimes after lose streaks. But not always! It's common in casual modes but much less common in ranked.

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[-] hisao@ani.social 22 points 6 months ago

Last time I played Fortnite it was also like this. It was bots + other weak players like you. It felt quite okay, early in the match you got some easy bot kills and later you had some challenge dealing with actual players of your skill level.

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[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago

Hell I'm okay with that. I don't play with any of you people anyway

[-] yuri@pawb.social 10 points 6 months ago

i swear pokémon duel would do the opposite of this. you’d get on a win streak and then suddenly a player with a very generic name and the EXACT counters to your deck fucken SWEEPS your ass with seemingly psychic precision. you could even trick it by switching to a deck with no synergy and just playing like a psycho whenever you got ~5 wins in a row.

i miss that game so much. taken before it’s time o7

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[-] Mwa@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Makes sense why the game feels soo easy, And i like it this way.

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[-] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 months ago

I heard Sue Storm's ass is great and modeled after a model with a great ass

[-] stinky@redlemmy.com 7 points 6 months ago

This feels like a bandaid on a gunshot wound.

The problem is that every game has a losing team, and the players are supposed to feel bad no matter how well they performed. "Defeat" or "Loss" messages, sad music, sinking stats, public match record showing off your failure; there's punishment baked into this model of game.

Trying to keep players by throwing them easy wins is an insult. You're the game developer that created this "winner/loser" model to begin with. Now you're trying to make me feel better with this bullshit? You're the one that caused the pain to begin with.

[-] lobut@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I figured it was to get some practice rather than a morale boost.

Like the article says, it does mess with stats but it is only for Quick Play rather than ranked though.

[-] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

It's absolutely a cheap way to give you an easy win. If I get SVP but lose in overtime, it's absolutely an insult to throw me into a bot match for 'practice'

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[-] index@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 months ago

play stupid games win stupid prizes

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[-] Viri4thus@feddit.org 6 points 6 months ago

PCGamer running FUD ads for ActiBlizz, nothing new. Move along.

[-] teft@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

It's really fucked up when you think about it since qp matches are any skill against any skill. So if you get a diamond ranked dps on the opposite team and your team is mostly bronze you're screwed. Then you only have to lose one more match to get put into the bot matches. That seems super unfair.

[-] constnt@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

QP still puts you with similar skill level players. It just doesn't show you the algorithm like competitive. You won't be put with a diamond if you are bronze and vice-versa.

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