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[-] Freefall@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

If that segment of the market was significant, corpos we be bending over backwards for those dollars.

[-] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 hours ago

So, as a bazzite enjoyer what in particular need I do?

[-] yukichigai@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 7 hours ago

I'll settle for the old Rust approach, where you could still play on (or host your own) servers that didn't have anti-cheat enabled.

[-] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

We'll sooner see linux supported anti cheat than we will server browsers.

[-] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 9 hours ago

anti cheat with kernel privilege access? No, thanks

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[-] creed10@lemmy.world 9 points 9 hours ago

unfortunately for us, I don't think we're what they would consider "significant"

[-] theangryseal@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago

The steam deck be pretty popular these days.

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 127 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

We need the game publishers to face more consequences for shoving BS kernel level anti-cheats and not focusing on where it actually matters, server-side.

(Which would also solve the Linux AC problem by extension)

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 54 points 16 hours ago

Game publishers: but server-side anticheat is ~~more expensive~~ HARDDDDDD

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 28 points 16 hours ago

Most games I know about do both, but my understanding is it's hard to stop some of the client-side stuff server-side.

Look, we've been here before. I'm not super invested in multiplayer stuff, so I don't care that much, but I am old enough to remember when gamedevs would not even try crossplay and just let the PC be the wild west when it comes to cheating.

I didn't necessarily hate it. I lived in a world of dedicated servers where moderation and security came down to some kid in his underpants being pretty sure he didn't like you and kicking you out. I'm guessing there's a bit too much money and too much of an expectation of free-form matchmaking for the mass market to go back to that.

But hey, I'm not a security software engineer and I'm not excessively involved in competitive shooters, which seems to be where most of the problem happens. My interest in this is having enough PC security for crossplay to make matchmaking in fighting games less of a hassle than it used to be in the Street Fighter 4 days. You sweaty FPS nerds can do whatever, as far as I'm concerned.

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 12 points 16 hours ago

You're right on all accounts, I oversimplified for humor. Server-side IS more expensive and does exist in limited ways. Rolling matches on dedi servers are highly profitable, unfortunately the old school days of matchmaking are over for everything except indie companies that want to replicate the nostalgia

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[-] glitchdx@lemmy.world 57 points 15 hours ago

No. It's a video game. Publishers have no business being in my kernel.

[-] Voyajer@lemmy.world 39 points 14 hours ago

Anticheats on Linux don't have kernel access... Have you ever heard of people needing to type their root password to launch a steam game before?

[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

Hu? You don’t need to type root password to load a kernel module automatically , do you?

I mean, do you have to type the root pw if you plug in a wifi dongle that requires an out-of-tree module?

As far as I understand, you have to type root pw only for installation and update of the module and, depending on distribution, even that is not really visible since you type root pw to install tons of stuff all the time.

[-] glitchdx@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago

Anticheats on Linux don’t have kernel access

Yeah, I know. I'd like it to stay that way. Furthermore, this is also why games with kernel-level anticheat still don't work on linux, despite developments in wine/proton.

[-] Rin@lemm.ee 4 points 11 hours ago

Don't give corpos any ideas

[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 35 points 15 hours ago

Where did I say I wanted kernel anti-cheat?

[-] glitchdx@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

The post is about anticheat that doesn't work on linux. Non-kernel-level anticheat works fine now thanks to wine/proton. That just leaves kernel-level anticheat. If a game has kernel-level anticheat, the studio is not going to remove it for the sake of a linux version. Therefore, to be compatible with linux, they would be introducing kernel-level anticheat into a linux version. To this, I say "fuck no".

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[-] mortemtyrannis@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 hours ago

Bully for you.

When I eventually make the switch to Linux your efforts will make it even more seamless.

[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 hours ago

I’m fighting for you!

[-] MehBlah@lemmy.world 10 points 12 hours ago

The only game I currently play is KSP. I've grown so tired of all the crap out there.

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Every so often I have an urge to come back and play KSP for like a month straight. And it's a blast every time.

Sometimes a nice single player sandbox is all you need.

[-] MehBlah@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

I've been playing since alpha. I bought it the first day it was on sale. I bought it on steam a second time. When the expansions came out they gave me them on the first purchase. I will do a career run every now and then but most of my games are sandbox games with huge multi launch space stations. I've been playing this go round for a about three months and when I get bored I'll park it on a drive for several months then I'm back at it. I still get a kick out of manual(No Mech Jeb) mun landing and returns.

[-] MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 hours ago

Is it more stable? I always ended up getting either a kraken or like 2 fps with a giant space station.

[-] MehBlah@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

KSP 2 is a little better than its first release. I still main play KSP 1 in sandbox mode. If you have a problem with parts counts get a part fusion mod and combine parts to increase your FPS.

[-] Senseless@feddit.org 16 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Nearly 800 hours in Scum, now I can't play it anymore because it's missing Linux EAC support. Too bad.

[-] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 39 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

I mean if the game you paid money for is deliberately broken to shaft you, you are a clown for reviewing the game positively. Judging by the complaints of every game with linux-breaking anti cheat, it has failed to remove any of the cheaters.

[-] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 19 points 15 hours ago

Nope, fuck that. I'm not running that anti cheat shit on my machines, I just won't buy it.

[-] huskypenguin@sh.itjust.works 14 points 14 hours ago

Bro. That's not what is happening or being talked about. Most anticheat systems have a Linux flag that can be enabled, letting them run on proton without any sort of kernel access. Everything except Denuvo and fuck that shit in particular.

[-] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago

Denuvo et al are exactly what I'm talking about.

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[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 12 points 14 hours ago

I’m not calling for kernel anti-cheat. I just want all the multiplayer games to work.

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[-] Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 hours ago
[-] yokonzo@lemmy.world 14 points 16 hours ago

I dont disagree with this but i don't know about significant segment, thats kind of delusional

[-] PlasticExistence@lemmy.world 8 points 15 hours ago

Yeah, I’m Linux-only and have been for the last 17 years, but we are not a significant percentage of the gaming market. Still less than 3% last time I checked.

Otherwise, yeah fuck kernel anticheats that don’t even stop cheating.

[-] emb@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

There are dozens of us!

Yeah, I also wish they'd have better support, but Linux players are not a huge group.

Steam Deck and Steam machines have helped a lot though. Without Valve's weight behind it, trying to game on Linux would probably be a lot worse.

[-] Deckweiss@lemmy.world 14 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

SiGnIfIcAnT sEgMeNt

inb4 all of the "significant segment" gives me a total of 27 downvotes - I am a full time Linux enjoyer on all my personal computers. Including but not limited to all of my gaming purposes. And I'd love for more game devs to release Linux native builds.

I just don't have illusions about being in any kind of target audience for larger game devs.

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 15 points 16 hours ago

The steamdeck runs on Arch. Games with windows-only anticheat excludes millions of potential players.

[-] MudMan@fedia.io 13 points 16 hours ago

We actually know this number. As per Steam's hardware survey this group is around 2%, including Steam Deck players.

Best guess, Steam Deck sales are 5-10% of the Switch, which is in the same ballpark, so both numbers are probably roughly right.

Wheter you want to count that as "significant" is up to you, I guess. I bet the impact is very different depending on the game, even for supported games.

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[-] waigl@lemmy.world 7 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

There's that "I never vote because politicians do not care about the issues of people like me anyway" attitude again.

(Hint: They don't care because your kind won't vote anyway.)

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[-] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 7 points 15 hours ago

Gamers will literally beg corpos to rootkit them.

[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 12 points 15 hours ago

That's a slippery slope argument from a post that just says all anti-cheat games should work, I did not say I support kernel anti-cheat.

[-] Loid@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

Not even slippery slope, that guy just manifested an argument out of his ass

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