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[-] RiQuY@lemm.ee 172 points 1 week ago

Security by obscurity is not real.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 47 points 1 week ago
[-] thebigslime@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago

How can our eyes be real if mirrors aren't real?

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Have you ever looked, like really looked at your hands?

[-] moody@lemmings.world 22 points 1 week ago

They call them fingers, but I've never seen em fing.

[-] blackstrat@lemmy.fwgx.uk 18 points 1 week ago

Not on it's own. But as part of a multi layered approach of does help.

[-] Poik@pawb.social 2 points 6 days ago

As someone who has professionally done legal reverse engineering. No. No it isn't.

The security you get through vetting your code is invaluable. Closing off things makes it more likely for things to not be caught by good actors, and thus not fixed and taken advantage of by bad actors.

And obscurity does nothing to stop bad actors, if there's money to be had. It will temporarily stop script kiddies though. Until the exploit finds it's easy into their suite of exploits that no one's fixed yet.

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[-] mariusafa@lemmy.sdf.org 69 points 1 week ago

Obscurity is not security. Obscurity is the fake sensation of privacy, you are on the hands of the creator.

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[-] grue@lemmy.world 64 points 1 week ago

Joke's on you: GNU/Linux isn't Unix to begin with (that's literally what GNU means: "GNU's Not Unix")!

Therefore, MacOS is "the best Unix" only because it managed to squeeze by the BSDs and some dead proprietary Unixes ("Unices?" "Unixen?") -- hardly an impressive feat.

Trollface

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 week ago

BSDs aren't even Unix AFAIK because they didn't bother to pay for the official recognition, despite literally being derived from UNIX. MacOS is pretty much the only UNIX that the average user will actually directly interact with.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Although for both Linux and (especially) BSD, isn't there a "Unix of Theseus" issue here, if you understand my meaning?

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[-] CrayonRosary@lemmy.world 60 points 1 week ago
[-] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 days ago

Spit on that thang

[-] SnotFlickerman 50 points 1 week ago

Now this is the kind of trolling I sincerely advocate.

[-] savvywolf@pawb.social 40 points 1 week ago

Closed source is more secure because the viruses can't see where to get in.

[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 31 points 1 week ago

This is why I stick to TempleOS, the only biblically accurate OS. With the power of God and high octane schizophrenia, I'm completely safe.

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

The main reason why MacOS has less viruses is that it's even more than that. Want to run programs not from the app store? Hope you like a convoluted set of settings you have to go through to install that in the first place.

The second main reason is the constant obsolescence of API.

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[-] kibiz0r@midwest.social 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Any judgment of “best” needs to specify “for what use case?”

I’m a MacOS daily driver, and I think it is the best for most of the use cases that matter to me.

But not all of them. And my use cases could easily change a little bit and make MacOS a miserable choice to stick with.

Everything is a trade-off.

Edit: And as for closed source security, I hope nobody seriously makes that argument anymore, do they?

[-] tomatolung@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 week ago

To quote from a paper on the topic of OS security:

https://iststudentlab.uap.asia/student-exhibits/periodicals-on-advancements-in-operating-systems-and-networking

According to the paper [5], windows is the most user friendly and has more hardware compatibility. In terms of security, Linux is the most secure among all OS given that it is an open- source operating system which gives users the ability to customize and implement security patches. As for memory management, macOS is the better option due to its fully integrated virtual memory system which is often on and continuously provides addressable space up to 4 per process. The virtual memory system allocates extra space for swap files on the root file system as a program uses space.

All available OS offer some level of security features such as firewalls, antivirus software, and encryption [6]. macOS has a level of security due to its unique operating system designed specifically for Apple devices with no third-party developers involved. Linux, being open source, is often regarded as more secure than Windows, which is a target of many malware attacks [7].

[-] JackRiddle@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 week ago

windows is the most user friendly

This is entirely dependend on what you're used to I think, because I used to think this too but now I can't do anything with windows anymore.

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[-] pixelscript@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago

As for memory management, macOS is the better option due to its fully integrated virtual memory system which is often on and continuously provides addressable space up to 4 per process.

Wow, 4 whole memories per process?!

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[-] Routhinator@startrek.website 25 points 1 week ago

I did a wtf at dude 4 in frame 3 until I realized he was getting punched and not... well.. if you don't see it maybe I'm just net-warped.

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[-] bss03@infosec.pub 24 points 1 week ago

I'm late and this will get buried, but this really speaks to the difference between the open source / ESR / OSI ideology and the free software / RMS / GNU ideology.

Open source ideology says it is better because it produces better software. If MacOS X was closed source and better it serves as a repudiation of that ideology.

Free software ideology says it is better because denying users any of the four freedoms is an immoral act. If MacOS X was proprietary software and better, it would still be immoral to deny users their freedoms; the ideology is not impacted.

[-] Stomata@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 week ago

Someone make a virus for his mac

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

*flames, screaming, sound of glass breaking*

God I love the smell of Usenet in the morning

[-] davidagain@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

But everyone knows that Mint is the best Unix. (Secret giggle behind my hand.)

I first resurrected a dead PC with RedHat before the turn of the century, mind, and that thing had UPTIME.

I still have me a massive soft spot for Solaris back in the day, though.

[-] TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I did the same, in the late 90s, and that computer got h4xx3d in two weeks through a vulnerability in Apache.

That was a really good learning experience.

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[-] Rekonok@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Former macaddict here

I disagree but this is a funny meme

[-] ThatKomputerKat@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

I still miss that magazine. It was freakin’ awesome.

[-] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

Lol this comment section is on fire. Irony died in 2015.

[-] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago

People like a good flame war 🤷

Just because one understands trolling doesn't mean it can't be fun to discuss the things the troll brought up.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Especially when it's cold outside.

[-] KazuchijouNo@lemy.lol 16 points 1 week ago

Thank you, you made a buncha nerds angry and now they're fighting in the comment section >:(

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[-] HStone32@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Just how do we define our metric for best Unix? Cuz it certainly isn't freedom if Apples winning any awards.

[-] highball@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

It's definitely not comparing Server performance because OSX Server flopped in the early 2000's.

[-] Eiri@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago

Is there some twisted definition by which you can argue Windows is UNIX? Just to intensify the violence.

[-] Trashboat 9 points 1 week ago

GNU/Unix/NT, as I’ve taken to calling it

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[-] BillibusMaximus@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago

Back in the 90s, Windows NT had a POSIX compatibility layer that you could enable (it wasn't enabled by default).

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[-] CoffeeWire@lemm.ee 12 points 1 week ago
[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 12 points 1 week ago

I guess we have different definitions of what "best" means.

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Secure from whom? Sure to be more government backdoors in MacOS.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Account made two days go...

Ok, madthumbs. Sure.

[-] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago

Is macOS more secure than OpenBSD?

App sandbox, SIP, and the Secure Enclave are awesome, but I don’t know how macOS actually compares to the BSDs these days.

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[-] mogoh@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago

So ... the Darwin kernel is insecure? 🧐

[-] yournamehere@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago

did you see 38c3? is there any doubt ios/osx is insecure, hackable and has plenty of rootkits avail? this facebook meme shouldnt trigger any tech savy nerd.

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[-] Jinni@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago

Burn the witch!

[-] drosophila 8 points 1 week ago
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