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[-] RiQuY@lemm.ee 179 points 11 months ago

Security by obscurity is not real.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 48 points 11 months ago
[-] thebigslime@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago

How can our eyes be real if mirrors aren't real?

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

Have you ever looked, like really looked at your hands?

[-] moody@lemmings.world 22 points 11 months ago

They call them fingers, but I've never seen em fing.

[-] blackstrat@lemmy.fwgx.uk 17 points 11 months ago

Not on it's own. But as part of a multi layered approach of does help.

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[-] omxxi@feddit.org 8 points 11 months ago

It can also be said: security by obscurity is the best scenario for the NSA

[-] mariusafa@lemmy.sdf.org 72 points 11 months ago

Obscurity is not security. Obscurity is the fake sensation of privacy, you are on the hands of the creator.

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[-] grue@lemmy.world 67 points 11 months ago

Joke's on you: GNU/Linux isn't Unix to begin with (that's literally what GNU means: "GNU's Not Unix")!

Therefore, MacOS is "the best Unix" only because it managed to squeeze by the BSDs and some dead proprietary Unixes ("Unices?" "Unixen?") -- hardly an impressive feat.

Trollface

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 21 points 11 months ago

BSDs aren't even Unix AFAIK because they didn't bother to pay for the official recognition, despite literally being derived from UNIX. MacOS is pretty much the only UNIX that the average user will actually directly interact with.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Although for both Linux and (especially) BSD, isn't there a "Unix of Theseus" issue here, if you understand my meaning?

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[-] CrayonRosary@lemmy.world 61 points 11 months ago
[-] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 12 points 11 months ago

Spit on that thang

[-] SnotFlickerman 52 points 11 months ago

Now this is the kind of trolling I sincerely advocate.

[-] savvywolf@pawb.social 40 points 11 months ago

Closed source is more secure because the viruses can't see where to get in.

[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 31 points 11 months ago

This is why I stick to TempleOS, the only biblically accurate OS. With the power of God and high octane schizophrenia, I'm completely safe.

[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

The main reason why MacOS has less viruses is that it's even more than that. Want to run programs not from the app store? Hope you like a convoluted set of settings you have to go through to install that in the first place.

The second main reason is the constant obsolescence of API.

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[-] kibiz0r@midwest.social 32 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Any judgment of “best” needs to specify “for what use case?”

I’m a MacOS daily driver, and I think it is the best for most of the use cases that matter to me.

But not all of them. And my use cases could easily change a little bit and make MacOS a miserable choice to stick with.

Everything is a trade-off.

Edit: And as for closed source security, I hope nobody seriously makes that argument anymore, do they?

[-] tomatolung@sopuli.xyz 13 points 11 months ago

To quote from a paper on the topic of OS security:

https://iststudentlab.uap.asia/student-exhibits/periodicals-on-advancements-in-operating-systems-and-networking

According to the paper [5], windows is the most user friendly and has more hardware compatibility. In terms of security, Linux is the most secure among all OS given that it is an open- source operating system which gives users the ability to customize and implement security patches. As for memory management, macOS is the better option due to its fully integrated virtual memory system which is often on and continuously provides addressable space up to 4 per process. The virtual memory system allocates extra space for swap files on the root file system as a program uses space.

All available OS offer some level of security features such as firewalls, antivirus software, and encryption [6]. macOS has a level of security due to its unique operating system designed specifically for Apple devices with no third-party developers involved. Linux, being open source, is often regarded as more secure than Windows, which is a target of many malware attacks [7].

[-] JackRiddle@sh.itjust.works 15 points 11 months ago

windows is the most user friendly

This is entirely dependend on what you're used to I think, because I used to think this too but now I can't do anything with windows anymore.

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[-] pixelscript@lemm.ee 8 points 11 months ago

As for memory management, macOS is the better option due to its fully integrated virtual memory system which is often on and continuously provides addressable space up to 4 per process.

Wow, 4 whole memories per process?!

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[-] Routhinator@startrek.website 25 points 11 months ago

I did a wtf at dude 4 in frame 3 until I realized he was getting punched and not... well.. if you don't see it maybe I'm just net-warped.

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[-] bss03@infosec.pub 24 points 11 months ago

I'm late and this will get buried, but this really speaks to the difference between the open source / ESR / OSI ideology and the free software / RMS / GNU ideology.

Open source ideology says it is better because it produces better software. If MacOS X was closed source and better it serves as a repudiation of that ideology.

Free software ideology says it is better because denying users any of the four freedoms is an immoral act. If MacOS X was proprietary software and better, it would still be immoral to deny users their freedoms; the ideology is not impacted.

[-] Stomata@sh.itjust.works 22 points 11 months ago

Someone make a virus for his mac

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 21 points 11 months ago

*flames, screaming, sound of glass breaking*

God I love the smell of Usenet in the morning

[-] davidagain@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

But everyone knows that Mint is the best Unix. (Secret giggle behind my hand.)

I first resurrected a dead PC with RedHat before the turn of the century, mind, and that thing had UPTIME.

I still have me a massive soft spot for Solaris back in the day, though.

[-] TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I did the same, in the late 90s, and that computer got h4xx3d in two weeks through a vulnerability in Apache.

That was a really good learning experience.

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[-] Rekonok@sh.itjust.works 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Former macaddict here

I disagree but this is a funny meme

[-] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

Lol this comment section is on fire. Irony died in 2015.

[-] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 15 points 11 months ago

People like a good flame war 🤷

Just because one understands trolling doesn't mean it can't be fun to discuss the things the troll brought up.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Especially when it's cold outside.

[-] KazuchijouNo@lemy.lol 16 points 11 months ago

Thank you, you made a buncha nerds angry and now they're fighting in the comment section >:(

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[-] HStone32@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

Just how do we define our metric for best Unix? Cuz it certainly isn't freedom if Apples winning any awards.

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[-] Eiri@lemmy.ca 13 points 11 months ago

Is there some twisted definition by which you can argue Windows is UNIX? Just to intensify the violence.

[-] Trashboat 9 points 11 months ago

GNU/Unix/NT, as I’ve taken to calling it

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[-] BillibusMaximus@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago

Back in the 90s, Windows NT had a POSIX compatibility layer that you could enable (it wasn't enabled by default).

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[-] CoffeeWire@lemm.ee 12 points 11 months ago
[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 12 points 11 months ago

I guess we have different definitions of what "best" means.

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Secure from whom? Sure to be more government backdoors in MacOS.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Account made two days go...

Ok, madthumbs. Sure.

[-] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 9 points 11 months ago

Is macOS more secure than OpenBSD?

App sandbox, SIP, and the Secure Enclave are awesome, but I don’t know how macOS actually compares to the BSDs these days.

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 8 points 11 months ago

My BSD system is one of the most secure in the world.

...I can't get the damned thing to boot up, no way anybody is hacking in

[-] mogoh@lemmy.ml 8 points 11 months ago

So ... the Darwin kernel is insecure? 🧐

[-] drosophila 8 points 11 months ago
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[-] Jinni@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago

Burn the witch!

[-] yournamehere@lemm.ee 8 points 11 months ago

did you see 38c3? is there any doubt ios/osx is insecure, hackable and has plenty of rootkits avail? this facebook meme shouldnt trigger any tech savy nerd.

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[-] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago

Security is temporary. Nothing is safe.

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