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[-] Carvex@lemmy.world 165 points 6 months ago

It shouldn't be more dangerous to be a 9th grader than a CEO.

[-] hOrni@lemmy.world 77 points 6 months ago

So, what I'm hearing is, we should kill 2 CEOs for every school child.

[-] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 65 points 6 months ago

Even at 1:1 we’d be out of billionaires in a couple months.

[-] khornechips@sh.itjust.works 29 points 6 months ago

CEOs hate this one simple trick for preventing school shootings!

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[-] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 132 points 6 months ago

If they need bulletproof armor just to attend school then it is too dangerous to send them there. This is not a solution to anything.

If you got a boring office job and on the first day you were issued a bulletproof vest because they keep having "incidents", would you keep working there?

[-] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

They don't need it, it's all just security theater like the TSA. 99.99999% of children in the USA are not harmed by firearms each year. In fact, most "school shootings" counted in the Alarming Statistics are not mass shootings but any incident involving a gun in a certain radius of a school.

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/08/27/640323347/the-school-shootings-that-werent

I wouldn't mind getting a free armor plate though, those were probably expensive.

[-] LostXOR@fedia.io 69 points 6 months ago

The odds of any specific child being killed in a school shooting is very low, but the incidence of shootings is still far higher in the US than any other country, and that's a big problem.

[-] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 39 points 6 months ago

far higher

"Orders of magnitude" exists, and is applicable here

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[-] zaph@sh.itjust.works 51 points 6 months ago

not enough kids have died for me to give a fuck

Cool story bro

[-] Xanis@lemmy.world 48 points 6 months ago

Good point. It's not as if there is 'No way to prevent this,' Says only nation where this regularly happens.

Children are being shot and there is a much higher chance of these kids needing this plate than literally anywhere else that isn't an active warzone. That statistic alone should say enough. This IS a problem and we should not downplay that fact.

[-] FelixMortane@lemmy.ca 28 points 6 months ago

We can start by acknowledging that you are already pushing the line to minimize the issue by trying to make it about physical harm only, not psychological harm of being in an related incident.

Most recent data is from 2022, and indicates there are 49.6 million school aged children in the US. The closest we have to official numbers around children involved in gun violence in school shootings since 1999 starting with Columbine comes from the Washington Post (because, for some reason, the US government doesn't track this). It says that 338,000 children have been involved over this time period.

That comes out to 0.7% of all school aged children have been involved in a school shooting in the US. Your 'bullshit, pulled from your ass, percentage above is 4 magnitudes off of reality. That is the same as you finding a ten dollar bill and loudly yelling "I JUST FOUND $100,000!".

Do better and suck less. This is just around your claims as well, that is setting aside the monstrous view point that any percentage of kids would be acceptable to be involved in school shootings.

[-] flames5123@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

As much as I agree with you trying to find statistics, your numbers are flawed. You’re comparing a single year’s current school aged children to a 24 year data set.

[-] FelixMortane@lemmy.ca 14 points 6 months ago

You are correct, that was a flaw in my process.

If a child makes it from K to G12, that is 13 years of school. Checking a quick chart showing the number of enrollment in schools from in the 80's and 90's, enrollment was lower. Once it hit 2005, it is between 49m-51m. If we cut the percentage in half to and round down to 0.3%, my statement of the 4x magnitude still stands.

Thank you for considering, checking and bring up that misrepresentation in my previous number.

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[-] EldritchFeminity 14 points 6 months ago

TL;DR: "There's nothing we can do, says only nation where this happens."

The prevalence of armed attacks at American educational institutions points to a potentially systemic problem; between 2009 and 2018, the United States recorded 57 times as many school shootings compared to other high-income nations and as of 2019, became the only major industrialized country in which firearms are the leading cause of death for children and teens.

https://www.statista.com/topics/12276/school-shootings-in-the-united-states/#topicOverview

In recent years, school shootings surpassed their highest recorded levels, although figures may differ depending upon the source. Since there is no federal database – or definition – for school shootings, data is compiled by independent sources using varying factors to determine what constitutes a school shooting. According to the K-12 School Shooting Database, there were 348 school shootings, defined as every time a gun is brandished, fired, or a bullet hits school property, regardless of the time, day, reason, or number of victims (including zero), in 2023. Since 1966, school shootings transpired most often at the time of morning classes, a time which also accounted for the most casualties. However, not all incidents were located in the classroom; the highest victim count was recorded by shootings taking place in school parking lots, followed by hallways and at the front of schools.

All the money poured into crap like metal detectors and armed guards is security theater, but it's a very real problem with a simple solution: keeping guns out of the hands of kids. Especially white boys. Kids in the US are as likely to be shot and killed as kids in active war zones.

Despite public support for hiring armed guards to reduce the severity of school shootings, there is little evidence of this effect; out of all school shooting incidents identified by the K-12 School Shooting Database, only around two percent resulted in the shooter being apprehended by an SRO.

While it is impossible to predict the profile of a future school shooter, long term studies show that shooter demographics differ by school type. Research on mass public shootings, where four or more people are murdered by firearms in public, reveals that most mass shooters at K-12 schools between 1966 and January 2024 were White, while less than 20 percent were Native American or Latinx. In comparison, almost half of mass shooters at colleges or universities were Asian, followed by 33 percent who were White and 11 percent who were either Black or Middle Eastern. However, there was an equally high likelihood that mass shooters at K-12 schools and on college campuses were ‘location insiders’, meaning they had an existing relationship to the shooting site. Typically, students are the most likely perpetrators of school shootings.

According to the National Center for Education Statistics, almost all active shooters in education settings from 2000 to 2022 were male. However, while most active shooters at postsecondary schools were at least 25 years old, active shooters at elementary schools and secondary schools were usually between the ages of 12 to 18 years, suggesting that most K-12 shooters obtained a firearm illegally. The use of rifles and shotguns was also more prevalent in active shooter incidents in K-12 schools, weapons often used to commit indiscriminate shootings, where the shooter targets random victims with the intent to harm as many as possible.

Studies show that indiscriminate shootings occur more frequently in majority-White schools, while shootings at schools which primarily serve students of color are most often dispute or grievance related, such as an escalation of an argument or in retaliation against bullying. However, even though most dispute or grievance related shootings occur outside the school building, teachers in high-minority schools are more likely to report metal detectors or other screening at school entrances. In contrast, majority-White schools rarely reported such equipment, despite having a greater likelihood of experiencing a shooting inside the school.

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[-] Allonzee@lemmy.world 109 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Not very American.

Shouldnt only the kids with "winner" parents who can afford bulletproof backpack plates get one, so the kids of "loser" poor parents have a reduced chance of surviving?

How will these kids learn it's wrong to be and their life means less if they're poor if literally everyone in their grade has a roughly equal chance of survival in the event of our national pastime that makes us who we are happening at their school? How will the less poor kids know their life means more than their poorie classmates?

And really, shouldn't it only be legal for private academy kids to get these kinds of protective measures? Why expend resources protecting future capital livestock to this degree? Seems like a very inefficient investment.

This feels like a slippery slope to Marxist Leninist commie socialism.

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[-] MacAttak8@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago

Judging by their shirts saying St. Someone, I am inclined to believe these ARE private school kids. So this is thankfully legal, no need to worry good citizen.

[-] schema@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago

Supply Side Jesus would be proud!

[-] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

So un-American, the second amendment isn't for bullet proof vests. The best defense is offense. These kids should all have gotten guns to protect themselves, with the rich kids bullet proof vests in addition. Because everyone has the right to gunslinging, rich people have the right to survival.

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[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 77 points 6 months ago
[-] Gork@lemm.ee 73 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Why stop there?

Tanks for every student!

A school shooter will think twice upon seeing a 120 mm smoothbore Rheinmetall tank barrel ominously turn in their direction.

Edit: this will also teach students valuable lessons in crew-served weaponry and working together as a team

[-] Somsphet@lemmy.zip 18 points 6 months ago

Girls und panzer would like to join the conversation

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[-] don@lemm.ee 55 points 6 months ago

“There’s no way to prevent this”, say conservatives in the only country where this regularly happens.

[-] schema@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

This whole article sounds like it could have been by the onion a few years ago. What a sad reality we live in.

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[-] hungryphrog 49 points 6 months ago
[-] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 49 points 6 months ago
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[-] Randelung@lemmy.world 44 points 6 months ago

At graduation: "Look to your left. Now look to your right. Remember those faces, as some of them may try to kill you in the future, and some might not make it through the next few years."

Just bonkers.

[-] Catoblepas 13 points 6 months ago

And I thought the version of that talk that my 9th grade class got a few decades ago (“1 in 3 of you aren’t going to graduate high school”) was grim.

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[-] Remotedeck@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

They should be given heart shield bibles so they don't get shot in the heart AND so they can learn the good word of the founding father Jesus

[-] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 28 points 6 months ago

Growing up, we just like, inherited each other’s old stuff, like clothes, stereos, and even cars.

Gonna be a weird time when kids these days grow up and tell stories about handing down or receiving handed-down body armor.

[-] Brickhead92@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

But his plate armour already has dents in it! Why can't I get new armour! Everyone is going to make fun of me!

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[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 27 points 6 months ago

Shithole country. You cannot change my mind.

[-] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 21 points 6 months ago

Can these kids donate them to protect our CEOs? Our CEOs are our most valuable asset

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[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 6 months ago

Pretty fucked up, but not a bad idea for the situation they are in.

[-] gibmiser@lemmy.world 52 points 6 months ago

Statistically stupid. It will cause more psychological harm than it is worth the small probability that they are both involved in a school shooting and lucky enough the be saved by a foot square piece of metal.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 6 months ago

They wont be any more traumatized by that, they already are traumatized by the weekly school shootings in the news.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago

I'm reminded of the months and years after 9/11, when some assholes were trying to peddle "Executive Parachutes" to people in high rise office buildings, with the theory you could just jump out a window and float to safety in the event of another terrorist attack.

[-] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago

It's a cheap publicity move by an unscrupulous company trying to cash in on this never ending tragedy. Is one square foot of steel really going to save anyone, or is it just a way to make people more fearful so they buy this product?

[-] josefo@leminal.space 19 points 6 months ago
[-] Matombo@feddit.org 18 points 6 months ago

No, no defenetly isn't.

But on the other hand: Is the world really alright atm?

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[-] Entitle9294@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago
[-] wildcardology@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

Instead of giving school kids free lunch. Schools are buying them backpack armor.

[-] abbiistabbii 13 points 6 months ago

Imagine being telling kids to wear body armour rather than dealing with the gun problem.

[-] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

Great gift for your closest CEO.

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[-] Atrichum@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

I hate this fucking country so much.

[-] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 11 points 6 months ago

I'm glad they said it was Pennsylvania, I would have never guessed this was the US.

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 11 points 6 months ago

We could instead be out of billionaires in two months.

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