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[-] shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 233 points 2 weeks ago
[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 112 points 2 weeks ago

People aren't exactly gonna tell a random stranger and probable Fed that they support murder even if it's really based

[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 41 points 2 weeks ago

It's not illegal to say you believe Brian Robert Thompson deserved to die. Hell, you could, perfectly legally, file paperwork to hold a parade in Luigi's honor, right through the heart of DC. It's illegal to make death threats, but it's perfectly legal to express support for someone being killed.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago

With the incoming administration, I don't want to be on record as saying that.

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[-] expatriado@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

after the Nov 5th display of oligarch worshipping, maybe not as surprising it isn't higher

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

Shit was rigged, you know they made the question something insane to get more people to not agree with the killing.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

Link to study

Do you think the actions of the killer of the United Healthcare CEO are acceptable or unacceptable?

I've seen worse phrasing for survey questions.

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[-] Solumbran@lemmy.world 108 points 2 weeks ago
[-] i_dont_want_to 58 points 2 weeks ago

When I was young, I wouldn't have found it acceptable. It doesn't matter how badly you're treated, you need to find a peaceful way to resist. It's something drilled into my and my peers' skulls since I can remember.

After seeing little progress (but mostly worsening) with polite requests and peaceful protests, I really can't figure out how it can be unacceptable.

A lot of those kids probably just haven't gained that wisdom yet.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago

For one thing, you can sympathize but not find it acceptable.

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[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 91 points 2 weeks ago
[-] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 58 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

There's a teensy bit of data massaging to make the approval rating appear lower... in my opinion of course.

The respondents were asked to rank "acceptability of the killers actions" on a scale of 1 to 5.

Assumin'the average "young voter" views gunning strangers down as:

[1.very unfavorable]

(You would, if asked about murder, say it was bad As a rule. right? I would too. Ya know, unless it was justified.)

Looking at it that way, the same data looks a lot different suddenly.

33% young voters still think the killer is completely unjustified.

7% think there was some justification

19% are undecided if the CEO deserved to die for what he did

24% think the killer was mostly justified... But have reservations

17% believe he was 100% in the right

I got a little free with the interpretations but you get the idea, You could decide to frame the data this way too. there's a saying: statistics don't lie but statisticians do. Here's my 100% true alternate title using the data but presented with the story I want to tell:

67% of Young Voters at Least Partly Approve of Killers Actions

[-] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 28 points 2 weeks ago

Selective selection of selected data by billionaire controlled media still can't get below 41%

It's awesome how willfully they exclude or manipulate in attempt to soften the information.

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[-] kurwa@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah that's the shocking point for me

[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago

I'm of two minds about it. Half the time, I want to build a statue of Luigi

The other half of the time, I'm feeling the Tolkien quote, "many that live deserve death, and many that die deserve life. Will you give it to them?"

In other words, at no point do I feel that Brian Robert Thompson didn't objectively deserve to die. He is objectively doing more good for the world as worm food than he did as a living man. My only question is on the ethics of anyone actually killing him. On one hand, no one should have a right to make that call on their own. On the other, it's not like he was ever going to face justice any other way.

I wonder if this dilemma is reflected in this poll. You can believe that killing the CEO was unacceptable, while also believing he absolutely deserved it.

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[-] magnetosphere@fedia.io 66 points 2 weeks ago

The fact that politicians and executives consider this a “shock” is part of the problem.

[-] toiletobserver@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

I've heard a saying that if you do anything enough, it becomes normal.

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[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 62 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah that is shocking. My guess is lots of people declined to say for obvious reasons. The number has to be closer to 80%

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[-] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 59 points 2 weeks ago
[-] DerArzt@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago

41% of people they asked! Who knows what criteria they used to get their sample set, so the number may even be higher.

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[-] Womdat10 55 points 2 weeks ago
[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 36 points 2 weeks ago

I think of it this way. 41% are willing to say the killing was justified to a perfect stranger.

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[-] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

Seems low. Like if they polled exclusively young conservatives or something.

[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 weeks ago

I don't think I'd be considered "young" anymore, but I don't know if I'd say I support it.

Is the world better off without him? Yes.

Did he deserve to die? Yeah, probably.

Do I want to support vigilantism? Probably not.

Would it have been better if he had to deal with some terrible incurable and deadly disease? Yeah, if karma was real.

[-] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago

I'm almost 40. And I support it.

All other avenues are closed. All the proper and acceptable forms of redress are either coopted or outright captured. Civil, political, or otherwise. Peaceful Protest is universally ignored because it lacks the implicit threat of violence that makes it effective elsewhere in the world.

“When the people shall have nothing more to eat, they will eat the rich.” ~ Jean Jacques Rousseau

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[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 55 points 2 weeks ago

I doubt I’m "young" but I find it acceptable. I’m only shocked it doesn’t happen more. These people making insane amounts of money off the suffering of the working class have been getting away with too much for too long.

[-] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 26 points 2 weeks ago

They make money by murdering people. Someone has to hold them to account since our justice system, which is bought and paid for by these same scumbags, surely won't.

[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 50 points 2 weeks ago

That is shocking. Get your shit together, 59%!

[-] Kalysta@lemm.ee 43 points 2 weeks ago

That sounds extremely low. What young voters are they polling? The Amish?

[-] JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 41 points 2 weeks ago

Many of these polls are written in way to ellicit a biased response.

Others have already covered how this works, but I'll add to it anyway.

If you ask a question like "do you condemn violence against healthcare CEOs?" A lot of people are going to say yes, because they view themselves as people against violence and respond mostly to that first part.

If you ask "did brian thompson deserve to die for his crimes? Many of the same people will say yes to that too, because people have an innate desire for justice.

Polls do this all the time. It's part of social engineering and plays on the phenomenon that the Asch Conformity Experiments analyzed. Around 35% of people will change their opinions to fit everyone else's even if the answer or opinion is very obviously incorrect.

Don't let them take the narrative back.

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[-] DrFistington@lemmy.world 36 points 2 weeks ago

Gotta pump those numbers up. Those are rookie numbers!

[-] N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 2 weeks ago

The generation whose future was stolen by greedy, sociopathic billionaires doesn’t care if they get killed. Fetch my fainting couch!

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[-] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 34 points 2 weeks ago
[-] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago

110% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

[-] melisdrawing@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago

Young, like under 26? Like never having had to supply their own health insurance maybe?

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[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 26 points 2 weeks ago

That low? That is a shock.

[-] oakey66@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago

It’s not shocking if you’ve had to deal with any sort of healthcare in this god forsaken shithole of a country.

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[-] john89@lemmy.ca 23 points 2 weeks ago

Only 41%?

We still have work to do.

[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago

Americans have been trained to wish on the CEO the negative things that those CEOs have caused.

Game CEO cancels or ruins an anticipated game? Wish on to them that something they value gets canceled.

Car company CEO makes cars more expensive? Wish upon them financial trouble.

Social media CEO invades your privacy? Wish on them someone to track their plane wherever it flies.

But there exists a subset of companies where death is the outcome of a bad CEO, and the end consequence of encouraging an eye for an eye is what we just saw. Perhaps if a company can decide whether you live or die, the government should play some role in it. Then at least voters will at least have a stake in the governance.

[-] ef9357@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 2 weeks ago

Shock poll? Who is shocked?

[-] Walk_blesseD 18 points 2 weeks ago

I'm shocked that the number isn't higher, does that count?

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[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 19 points 2 weeks ago

They also claim that they want more equality, universal healthcare, less student debt, etc. And then a ton of them proceeded to vote for Donald Trump. I can't take anything they say seriously.

[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

It’s a wake up call, but it’s not really going to change anything. You want universal healthcare? We need a general strike. Shut everything down for a month and demand it.

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[-] theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

Cannot believe what our nation is coming to! How the hell is it under 50??

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[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

Should be higher.

[-] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 16 points 2 weeks ago

This old voter finds it acceptable. Not a problem. It's a good start.

[-] skozzii@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

A person has to ask themselves the question of does this person help or hurt humanity, and if you look at this company denials since he took over he definetely hurts humanity as a whole.

Not every human life is valuable or worth keeping. We need to treat our weakest members of society better, which is elderly, disabled and children. He hurts those people the most, when he should've trying to protect them. He chose to chase profits over human life.

This is simply a logical consequence. Income equality now is FAR worse than the french revolution, I'm just suprised it took this long.

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[-] Heikki@lemm.ee 13 points 2 weeks ago

I mean, "Broadly gesturing to everything"

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

Just 41%?

The pain felt in the US is still not high enough.

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