Far-right German nationalist party slowly rising in vote share while traditional centrist and liberal parties squabble over the best way to keep them out of government while unable to form a stable government themselves
Where have I heard this one before?
Where have I heard this one before?
France? Sweden? Italy? US? Netherlands?
God, I hate the world rn.
squabble over the best way to keep themselves out of government
FTFY
Everyone in the comments saying that the "left" needs to be stricter on immigration is not reading the news apparently. First of if you are anti human rights you are not left anymore. And if you allow the normalisation of right wing policy you are not left anymore. And if your left party suddenly starts shifting to the right noone votes for you anymore. True leftists are disappointed by you and right wingers won't stop voting for the true right.
#notruescotsman
I have not heard that one but yea. If you tell someone to be more Cambodian that would make them less Scottish probably.
Sometimes there really aren't any Scottish dudes in attendance. Shame, but there you have it.
Sean Connery is a true Scotsman. QED.
Summarising left wing ideologies as pro-immigration is exactly the reason the far right is rising, but sure, go for another 40 years of the same politics, I'm sure it'll work eventually
Politics is not about winning. Sticking to your principles and your morals instead of selling out and supporting the death of thousands in the mediterranean sea and the middle east is worth more than winning some seats in parliament. There is no one reason the right is on the rise. Populism and giving in to the temptation of power are definitely leading factors though.
*SPD
I'm already dreading the elections...
Edit: realized that BBC is calling them SDP. Which is... weird. It's a mix of translating the name, but also keeping the letters, but wrong.
Just write the real name and translate its meaning.
They also do it for the other parties, where it by pure chance works. Except for AfD. Where they don't translate the initials. Very chaotic
I'm dreading their outcome...
I think it’s fairly common to not translate the initials for political party names. Most English commentary I’ve seen uses just the initials. That said, it is a little weird they translated the names and used the initials at the same time.
"Social Democrat Party" maybe?
Sozialdemokratische Partei Deutschlands = Socialist Democratic Party of Germany
When will the USA have version of the SPD which can contend with the Democrats and Government of Putin?
Sozialdemokratische Partei Deutschlands = Socialist Democratic Party of Germany
yes. that's exactly what I'm critizising
Now watch the elections being heavily targeted by Russian propaganda and Germany not doing a single thing about it.
Germany's Election and people are relatively robust. The efforts Russia pooled in to the AfD are tremendous and they resulted in mostly nothing. The resulting chaos in the rest of the parties are mostly their own doing. The SPD and CDU bickering and fighting stupid battles that do not need to be fought, the greens not being united and still trying to make many things outright illegal, the FDP not getting rid of Lindner and the Linke/BSW being way to far up that Russian ass came about without considerable effort from the Russians. Also, Germany has the same issue like all countries these days, "the common people" do not want to deal with politics
"The AfD will not get into government because no-one will work with it to form a coalition. But the far-right is eating into the share of the vote that goes to the two centrist big-tent parties which have always put forward modern German chancellors."
They will never get elected again, if they cooperate with the nazis.
Cause there won't be elections?
I'm still banking on the Bundesverfassungsgericht (Germany's "supreme court") to stop the worst madness. But hopefully it doesn't even have to come to this...
I wish
Germany electorate, please pleasantly surprise us. It's been as dark year. Don't vote in Nazis as well.
They are already in parliament and will gain votes but they will not govern, that's pretty much guaranteed. We will get a conservative-led government though, a little to the right of Merkel. Most probably a conservative/social democratic coalition (think Mitt Romney Republicans with Biden Democrats) or a less likely less stable conservative/green coalition (think Mitt Romney Republicans with AOC Democrats).
The new government will be pro Ukraine (with the conservatives and greens extremely so, with the social-democrats a little hesitant but mainly, too) but also pro-Israel (with the greens more hesitant). All parties involved are pro European integration.
To be honest, foreign policies will not change much except for the European Chat Control legislation. While the current German government is strongly against it, Social Democrats are somewhere between indifferent and in favor, conservatives are strongly in favor and while Greens are against it, I can see them agreeing to a bad compromise with the conservatives.
If that happens I will happily accept a CDU+SDP grand coalition. Just no fucking AfD please for Christ's sake
AfD will not govern on national level in the next four years. I expect that CDU in some eastern state will eventually form a coalition with the AfD, but that has to happen first before they try on a national level. Then it will depend on the fall-out of that state coalition what will happen next.
I agree with most of what you said, except the Greens being less pro-Israel. They have passed a ridiculous non binding resolution with the CDU that calls for every University, Theatre, Museum and other place of science or culture to have a "structured dialogue" with the internal security. In other words they want to place an internal security agent at every of these places to make sure nobody who is not "without a doubt not antisemitic" aka anyone who isn't radically pro Israel receive any funding, projects, exhibition spaces or prizes.
Also the head of the "German Israeli Society" Volker Beck is a member of the Green party and former MEP for the Greens. He calls for Israel to permanently annex Gaza, called for denying food and other basic necessities to Gaza as a "bargaining" for Hamas to release the hostages.
These kind of statements are illegal under German laws, specifically made after the Nazi era to prevent incitement to hate and violence against minorities.
The Green party have a genocidal fascist in their own rows and they make no effort to remove him. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. Looking at statements from Baerbock, the current foreign minister, who boasts about her background in international law and also justifies murdering civillians, spreads Israeli disinformation and openly denied Israeli war crimes despite available video evidence. Also all weapon deliveries needed approval by the Foreign ministry and the Economic ministry, both run by Green ministers, with the other Minister Habeck being now the "chancellor candidate" of the Green party.
My only criticism of the past and present German governments, which includes the SPD and CDU, the illegal immigration, Russia and Afghanistan. We cannot allow a flood of undocumented illegals into Europe, Merkel gave Putin too much maneuvering room and the military mission in Afghanistan. Looks like I will end up voting again to keep the fucking AfD and Die Linke at bay.
Kein Mensch ist illegal, so fuck off
Merkel gave Putin too much maneuvering room
Scholz was even worse on this than Merkel was. He strongly advocated for the limpest possible response to Russias invasions, but the strongest possible support to the Israeli genocide. He's centrist trash and possibly just taking bribes.
The left in Europe and across the world needs to get stricter and more restrictive towards immigration or else they will just open the door to mainstreaming the far-right.
Not really. The conservatives have tried adopting talking points from the far right, but all it did was legitimize these stances. It actually caused even more voters to shift further right, with moderates becoming increasingly demoralized. The right will always vote right, no matter what the details of the actual policies are. The left will just further divide itself by taking conservative stances. A party has to fit a niche, and you won't get that by just taking policies from others.
A party has to fit a niche, and you won’t get that by just taking policies from others.
Thank you for saying this. Any faction which tries to be close but no quite identical to another partys philosophy is going to have no real voters, and they will lose. Its what happened in the US. You have to dance with the person who accompanied you to the dance.
It is possible to be economically and socially left but still have issues with migration making problems.
Shoehorning progressives into uncomfortable stances isn't the way either
You're describing the right.
The left is about addressing problems upstream. Address the injustices and inequalities that cause people to leave their countries in the first place.
Or do you really think the dream of people from the global south is to come live in the coldest, dampest, least fun climates of the earth? Given a chance at a good life they would gladly stay where their family, friends and culture are rooted.
Given a chance at a good life they would gladly stay where their family, friends and culture are rooted.
THIS! 100%!
So many people have such a huge superiority complex, it is unbelievable.
"Nu-uh! They will come either way because they want to be here and steal our lives! They don't care about their land, families, culture, and friends. No, they already know we are the best in everything, so they come here!"
Even the theory that immigrants act as some form of hivemind, where every one of them has the exact same reasons to come here, is beyond stupid; it is just vile and dehumanizing!
That some people would gladly go home instead of staying here, where so many "natives" are full of themselves and racism is spreading like the plague it is, is something they can't even begin to grasp.
least fun climates
Hey, some of us like having no fun.
If you have a problem with immigration as it is now, you better hope you're not around in 10-15 years when climate change gets really bad.
Another zionist pig bites the dust. Poor guy, his bribery paychecks will stop and he'll have to get a real job. Thats what pushing a right wing zionist policy that only 30 percent of your constituents support gets you. Bubye, pig.
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