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Gumroad PSA
(lemmy.blahaj.zone)
For those of us living under a rock, what's Gumroad?
An online ecommerce platform.
It's similar to Etsy. Targets smaller creators, values individual-made goods, but focuses on digital content, like soundtracks, 3D assets, etc.
I remember reading about Gumroad it used to be mostly for NSFW art, but they did a Tumblr and banned it. Maybe this is related to the loss of revenue.
Edit: found the article
Taking 30% off of physical goods sounds criminal to me.
These artists should switch platforms because the query string isn't the only way they can track attribution. If they see people doing this they will just switch to something else if they don't already use another method as well.
What a terrible platform, I knew they would get desperate after banning porn.
They banned porn?? I used to follow Gumroad's founder on Twitter, he seemed like a good person.
Yep, there was a rush over at kemono party to try and archive gumroad stuff that artists sold there because it would be hidden/deleted.
I'll just skip the whole place
some of us have been ever since gumroad worked with st*netoss
A dumb policy with perhaps an even dumber implementation. Basing profit sharing percentages off query parameters 🫨 ?
That’s how basically all affiliate links work.
This time it’s just the merchant getting more or less from the creator. vs doing the split with the linker and the merchant.
Also 10% is pretty low, normally merchants take like 30% cut by default so they have plenty to share.
The parameters are how you get to the store.
If the creator is driving the traffic, Gumroad takes 10%. If Gumroad is driving the traffic, they take a commission of 30%
I understand that. That approach is just really easy to manipulate.
Not any more than any other tracking method. They control it all.
If anything, the fact that they give you a method to alter how your purchase is tracked so you can still give the creator 90% when you get to them through their store is pro-creator.
The ability to alter the tracking is an exploit, not a feature. Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad it’s possible, but it seems more a result of a lazy implementation rather than a generous choice.
Not any more than any other tracking method.
This isn’t true. There are more opaque ways to track this like cookies, redirects (triggering an api call), and scripts. These could also be exploited depending on how they’re done, but it would be way less obvious than just changing the URI.
It just seems like they chose the simplest method, thus hampering the effectiveness of their greed.
All the solution you proposed have big tradeoffs. Most would require to run some code on the site where the URL is, which is often not an option. And they would not work if the link is shared between people. For a lot of cases the solution they used seems to be the best one.
I believe that this is only for links from their Discover view, which is same-origin.
Wait, you're complaining that end users can change it?
Yes, there are ways the website could prevent that. I'm not sure why that goal serves any purpose, though. Defaults are going to get them the vast majority of the commissions they earn, and being simple and easy for users who really want to reward the creators more to do so is worth the negligible cost.
Getting commission on sales you make isn't greed.
I’m sorry to disappoint, but this will most likely not work. As soon as you make such a request, a session is created, which is stored in the cookie. And if they are real big asses, they only use the IP address to correlate the user to a session.
In general I use this app before I share or follow any links:
But did you try in this case? Because it doesn't seems to have a sanitizer handling gumroad, in fact the sanitizer list is quite limited.
Oh you're right. I thought you could add your own. Either way they push updates regularly, I bet if someone asked for a specific one, or maybe asked to be able to add their own, they would do it.
Enshittification seems damn inevitable these days.
We need browser extensions to kill those tags automatically.
uBlock Origin filter or ClearURLs for example.
In the case of uBO, just search for "url" in the filter list and you should find it.
The URL tracking filter list is nice but it doesn't seems to include anything related to gumroad domain or parameters.
https://filters.adtidy.org/extension/ublock/filters/17.txt
You need to add it yourself.
For those of you with Apple devices, I’m pretty sure current versions of Mac OS and iOS remove tracking arguments from URLs when you use cut/copy/paste/share.
https://9to5mac.com/2023/06/08/ios-17-link-tracking-protection/
This is about removing tracking arguments that identify users, this is not the case here.
The example in your link even show it's keeping campaign tracking arguments. So I'm pretty sure it would keep the one we are talking about here.
Also this only applies in private browsing mode, which people usually aren’t in
In general I use this app before I share or follow any links:
Thanks, I have that too I think. It's great for sharing from my phone. On my laptop I have a python script that is a lot fancier that I'd like to rewrite as a browser extension someday.
Firefox I believe does. If you right click on a link, it says something like “copy link without tracking”. It should do away with queries in the URL, but I’m not completely sure.
https://www.trishtech.com/2024/10/how-to-disable-copy-link-without-site-tracking-in-firefox/
This is definitely what it’s supposed to do (and a great feature) but unfortunately it doesn’t work that well. Have tried this many times, especially with Amazon links, and it seems to be a bit inconsistent in its effectiveness.
Good to know.
You probably also need to clear your cookies as well. I can't really see this being done only via GET
Yeah, I cannot imagine any reason they wouldn't use cookies to track this. The moment you arrive via an affiliate link they're going to know that that's how you got to the site for that session.
That's not going to work for links sent by text or whatever.
How do you think that would work? Like the site with the affiliate link should drop a third party cookie for gumroad? That's a pretty big requirement.
When you go to the website, it can save that cookie for the session, even if you later remove the parameter.
I don't understand. Cookies and request method are two different things. You can set cookies on GET.
If a platform gets traction and is good at removing them, then links will be more obfuscated to deal with it.
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OK, I think the real solution is that I'm never using Gumroad again. Sad, as some really good dnd stuff was there
https://bsky.app/profile/stargazerbird.pmd.social/post/3ld4tz3hllc2u
Based of that, it sounds like it’s affect people who had opted into the boosted discovery since that was already a thing and that was 30%+. The simplified wording doesn’t help but I’m feeling this got way blown out of proportion. Humanity does that nowadays.
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