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[-] Omgboom@lemmy.zip 143 points 3 months ago

The media is trying to paint a picture of him as a right winger so they can better control the narrative. Read his actual social media posts and you can see that it's much more nuanced than that.

[-] FundMECFSResearch 14 points 3 months ago

They interviewed one of his friends from college who said that “Luigi tends to be on the left economically but not agree with the leftist identity politics”

[-] ancoraunamoka@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 months ago

Like any sane person?

[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 87 points 3 months ago

yup. im as left as anyone but you know if a right wing neighbor is picking up garbage strewn around the local park. im not against it.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 37 points 3 months ago

Are you comparing a healthcare CEO to garbage in the park?

If so, I'm completely OK with that.

[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 18 points 3 months ago

Hey! Settle down! Some of that garbage can be useful.

[-] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

“Let’s sort this stuff as either dangerous or reusable! Cardboard- reusable. Broken glass- dangerous. Spent shell casing with DDD written on it- reusable.”

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago
[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 4 points 3 months ago

yeah but would you want to eat anything planted in it?

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Fair. Incinerated? I could live with watching a CEO powered TV

[-] weeeeum@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Garbage implies it was useful at one point.

[-] roguetrick@lemmy.world 73 points 3 months ago

We talk a lot about left and right wing and what it means here. If you're destroying elite power structures you are to the left of the king. There is zero ambiguity there.

[-] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

Left wing, and right wing are a construct to divide us. The video below goes into the history of the term and how it's been used in modern reporting.

If anyone has a peertube or other non YouTube link I’ll edit my comment to that link

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MYoA1R38cuc&pp=ygUccG9saXRpY2FsIHNwZWN0cnVtIGlzIGEgbXl0aA%3D%3D

[-] roguetrick@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

That's pretty simplistic and puts the cart before the horse. Political coalitions are not a new phenomenon, nor are picking up your politics from your social connections. That was exactly how politics worked in Rome. Hell in Constantinople their coalitions straight up sponsored chariot racing teams and ended up burning the city down https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nika_riots . Your membership in a coalition was dependent on who you received patronage from.

My point is, from the essence, from it's meaning to the days of the third estate, breaking down power structures is left wing.

[-] SailorMoss@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago

I saw that video the other day. While I think that it’s true that there are social reasons why people adopt their politics. You’re extending that fact a bit far to say that fact nullifies left/right understandings of politics.

That isn’t to say you shouldn’t have class solidarity with right-wingers. But it is a delicate situation because you also must maintain class solidarity with the groups right-wingers have been taught to hate.

[-] Sundial@lemm.ee 70 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Left leaning people do too good a job of shooting ourselves in the foot by alienating people who don't 100% prescribe to the same beliefs we have. The reality is people are all over the political spectrum and that's not always a bad thing. Finding common ground and working together is what governance is all about.

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago

We need to end the bullshit culture war divisions and make the rich afraid.

[-] horse_battery_staple@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

Left wing, and right wing are a construct to divide us

If anyone has a peertube or other non YouTube link I'll edit my comment to that link

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MYoA1R38cuc&pp=ygUccG9saXRpY2FsIHNwZWN0cnVtIGlzIGEgbXl0aA%3D%3D

[-] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 67 points 3 months ago

He’s also 26, and was raised in the bubble of wealth and opportunity. For him to even have half of the radical ideas or to have read the Unabomber’s book is growth in of itself.

“What radicalized you?” dear reader, and more pertinently, at what age? Let’s not pretend we all were born as fully actualized and capable philosophical beings that were always right and never had to develop and grow.

[-] meyotch@slrpnk.net 17 points 3 months ago

Watching a holocaust movie on ABC as a 7 year old, then the next week witnessing a psychopathic cousin torture a starling to death.

Evil quickly moved from an abstract idea to a real and terrifying component of reality.

[-] affiliate@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

“What radicalized you?”

unironically it was just having one conversation after class with one of my professors when i was a freshman in college. i don't remember exactly what we talked about, but i vividly remember the feeling of it afterwards, and walking away much more aware of all the things i didn't know. radicalization was a slow and steady process after that, but that conversation was definitely an inflection point

[-] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 7 points 3 months ago

Similar vibe-check that metastasized over time for me. Having an outright socialist friend who could argue plainly and calmly with conviction, set that mental brushfire that others can and do think radically differently, and they have a different lived experience that defined them and their path.

In seeking to understand a lot of theory of thought and politics, I found the political language and framework for the discontent and disillusionment I knew but couldn’t comprehend.

It also helped that I lived in an unabashed surveillance state, that the public at large actually wanted and defended from criticism or legal change…

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 7 points 3 months ago

Reading the Unibomber's manifesto is only evidence of growth if you roll your eyes halfway through and stop.

[-] chaogomu@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Which Luigi did. He liked the main thrust of the argument, but found the methods of the unibomber to be distasteful and lazy.

And I tend to agree.

Attacking the people at the bottom does nothing. Attacking the assholes at the top however... They are the real enemy making the world a worse place, so it just makes sense to target them specifically.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 3 months ago

Yeah, sure, that was the problem I'm talking about. Not the fascism.

[-] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

Idk Drag, he still picked it up. That’s enough outside the normie reading list, 2edgy4u teens tend towards the obvious like Mein Kampf

[-] Zementid@feddit.nl 4 points 3 months ago

When I realized how politicians fake incompetence to avoid liability. It's not corruption if you fuck Up and break contracts with penalities in the Billions.

US 3 letter agencies will start telling people left of center that he's a "right wing Qanon nutjob", and simultaneously tell people right of center that he's a "radical marxist".

Like IDGAF, even if he was right wing or even far right (which we don't even know if he is or not), that's still the fault of mainstream media propaganda that caused him to have those views, so he's still the victim of propaganda.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 3 months ago

That the USA state and its willing mouthpieces has completely lost control of the narrative on this one is just icing on the cake.

[-] ceenote@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

"Shit, maybe [political alignment I'm supposed to hate] ain't that bad."

I know it won't happen, but that'd be great if this resulted in more widespread recognition that the rich are setting us against each other.

[-] Soulg@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 months ago

He has some right wing views on his Twitter, but I don't think there's any like explicitly pro Trump/ anti LGBT stuff that I've heard of. But yeah I completely agree.

[-] 2pt_perversion@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago

No, we're supposed to be focusing on a made up migrant crime epidemic and pets being eaten. We can't look at wealth inequality until those issues are solved. /s

[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

I think Luigi might have immigrant ancestors.

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 months ago

If I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that’s what I’m going to do.

[-] zeroday 24 points 3 months ago

I don't have to agree with right wingers on everything in order to agree that these rich parasites need to go.

[-] midnight_puker@sh.itjust.works 21 points 3 months ago

If that's the case, then he's my kind of right winger.

[-] fum@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

He was right wing. Now he's an anarchist.

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 months ago

Luigi Mangione’s Anger Wasn’t Neatly Ideological: https://jacobin.com/2024/12/luigi-mangione-unitedhealthcare-thompson-ideological

Worth a read: you could point to various parts of his digital footprint to paint him as an 'activist' of many different stripes.

[-] thax@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 months ago

That's a solid article. Sounds to me like Luigi is generally on point, or at least intellectually curious and flexible. He sees beyond the tribal buffoonery that encapsulates many of our lives. He has my attention and support.

[-] dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

What is better: to be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?

~ Paarthurnax

[-] Famko@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Wise words from Luigi's brother.

[-] tabarnaski@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 months ago

The divide and conquer strategy of the ruling class will work as long as the oppressed are kept busy focussing on their differences.

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 months ago

Aww the shooter is rightwing? I guess I'm a healthcare CEO stan now :( :( :(

[-] el_bhm@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago

Not a left vs right issue.

[-] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Was he right wing?

Or, was he just right?

[-] zephorah@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

Eh. The guy reads as purple.

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