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[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 222 points 3 weeks ago

Oh joy, moralizing from a dry drunk.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 67 points 3 weeks ago

Who dresses like a bad acid trip.

[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 30 points 3 weeks ago

Who dresses like a bad acid trip.

But he's blind these days, so now he has an excuse for that part.

[-] thebigslime@lemmy.world 198 points 3 weeks ago
[-] paraphrand@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

Hey! It fits this time

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 114 points 3 weeks ago

I spent age 16-25 a constant pothead. I mean, some weeks I'd just never be sober. My friend said that I sat up in bed, opened the drawer, pulled out a baggie, packed a bowl, smoked 2 hits, and then layed back down. All without waking up, or stop snoring.

I have never once done any other drug. I'm 42 now, and haven't smoked weed in about 10 years.

I know others with similar stories. Weed does not lead to other drugs. Your choices do.

[-] HEXN3T 24 points 3 weeks ago

My choices led to other drugs, and my choices led to me living a happier life, finally breaking free from my self-destructive habits. These Nixonites corpses need to finish their rigor mortis already.

[-] sepi@piefed.social 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Different people take it differently. I lead a super active life, and am more active than my friends who don't indulge.

I clean, do stuff, am active, and consume heroic amounts of weed. I wake up early AF and am always early to things. I am not forgetful either or act "confused".

I know everybody is affected differently, yet I hold the belief that the "stoner stereotype" is not as much about the weed slowing people down but about people being themselves and using weed as an excuse.

Perhaps my belief is due to my experience with it.

[-] frostysauce@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Perhaps my belief is due to my experience with it.

And you just demonstrated far more self awareness than Elton John!

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[-] Supervisor194@lemmy.world 104 points 3 weeks ago

Translation: I did whatever the fuck I wanted to do and now I've worked out that I was a shithead. It therefore follows that it was these external things that made me a shithead. Nevermind that countless other people have experienced the same things as "essentially harmless fun." I, of course (having been a raging shithead) am in a position to know better.

The logic is flawless.

[-] frostysauce@lemmy.world 28 points 3 weeks ago

Elton John, confirmed boomer.

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[-] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 93 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Okay but seriously, he's entitled to his opinions. Besides, if he's successfully gone through rehab, he's not exactly going to be pro-drugs after that.

[-] thatsnothowyoudoit@lemmy.ca 27 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

As someone who hasn’t had a drink for 23 years one of the big issues with former addicts and alcoholics is the same “if it’s not good for me it’s not good for you” attitude we see everywhere else.

It’s yet more exceptionalism where we mistake the phenomenon of our perception and experience as a direct stand in for everyone else’s.

Even more problematic that it comes from someone with (and I’m willing to step out on a ledge here) a self-professed disease (alcoholics often refer to “their disease”.) That’s fine, but you don’t see diabetics recommending everyone constantly monitor their blood glucose and take insulin.

Like yes, I understand that when my wife has her first beer it doesn’t set off the trigger I have where I need all the beer (and liquor and whatever drugs you have on you) in the world until I don’t remember who I am.

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[-] niktemadur@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago

Having been hooked on cocaine and then implicitly or explicitly equating it with weed, sounds like some sort of internal "reefer madness" 24 hour movie-thon playing in his head.

[-] prole 13 points 3 weeks ago

Besides, if he’s successfully gone through rehab, he’s not exactly going to be pro-drugs after that.

Wanting cannabis to be legal isn't necessarily "pro-drug." No more than wanting alcohol to be legal is.

[-] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 3 weeks ago

Ah yes. The dreaded marijuana rehab I presume.

[-] alexc@lemmy.world 62 points 3 weeks ago

I wish the press would stop asking fucking celebrities questions about social issues. They do not represent society and never will.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 39 points 3 weeks ago

I agree, but I find it amusing in this case since this guy pretty much owes his career to people in the 70s getting high and listening to Goodbye Yellow Brick Road.

[-] alexc@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago

Typical Boomer/Conservative move. They enjoy something and then enjoy it even more by telling everyone else they’re not allowed to use it.

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All I see here is the common kneejerk reaction to anything remotely criticizing marijuana. Elton John is a dry alcoholic and has been supporting other people with substance abuse issues for many years now. To him trivialization of any sort of drug use is negative. Calling it "the greatest mistake" is just some hyperbole to highlight the issue he sees. And he's not wrong in that there are many people, like in this comment section, who act as if there are no negative side effects to consuming cannabis. That is not only wrong but dangerous, because it is a drug and like all drugs it has its downsides that people need to be aware of. Still, personally I think decriminalization was the right thing. But stop acting like cannabis can do no evil.

[-] remotelove@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I believe the risks of cannabis are significantly less than nearly every other recreational drug out there. Hell, I am a huge psychedelic proponent, which in many cases causes less physical damage than most other drugs but also comes with its own list of caveats.

But yeah, I see what you are saying and agree. It is important to understand the correct risks of just about anything in life.

Some dry alcoholics love their soapbox though. I'll occasionally bash alcohol, but I honestly try to keep my opinion to myself unless I am with other recovering alcoholics. (Repetitive negative reinforcement has a place, believe it or not.) What I am saying is that it is easy for someone in perpetual recovery to get a hair preachy. It's a thing. (Also guilty here, btw.)

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[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 46 points 3 weeks ago

Noted drug scientist Elton John? Or the musician? Because I don't give a fuck what some entertainment celebrity has to say about that.

[-] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 39 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I appreciate his history and how it guides this, but I argue that - in the context of addiction - not banning alcohol and its societal promotion is a greater harm by any government. Absurd? Yes. But deep down inside it’s no more absurd than prohibiting marijuana considering their similarities in societal use. I was going to say similarities in relative harm too, but alcohol is killing vastly more people than all other recreational drugs.

Canada legalizing marijuana simply stopped criminalizing normal society. The matrix of harm/help of alcohol, weed, and others is way more complex than prohibition.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 37 points 3 weeks ago

We already know what alcohol prohibition did in the U.S. and we know that our prisons are filled with people who happened to have a dime bag in their pocket when a cop stopped them. He's not an idiot. He has to know about both of those things.

[-] UmeU@lemmy.world 35 points 3 weeks ago

He must not be very intelligent to hold these debunked and outdated views. Quite out of touch with reality.

[-] wpb@lemmy.world 32 points 3 weeks ago

It's always good to hear what the experts have to say on these matters.

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 32 points 3 weeks ago

It is very habit forming but that's hardly a reason for it to be illegal.

[-] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

Right. Eating is addictive. Drinking of course. And for a lot of people so is running, lol.

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[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 26 points 3 weeks ago

Fuck off elton. You know as well as anyone the same can be said for alcohol. As a legalization person I am very disappointed in at least the illinois legalization. It does not allow for private grow for everyone and puts to much money into to small of hands. In addition all the adult entertainment should have severe advertising restrictions. They should be restricted to only having adverts in other adult businesses. So liquor stores, dispensiaries, gambling establishments, bars, etc. stores should not be able to advertise liquor but just have the section with prices and thats it. Same with restaurants. We should totally allow adults to do these things but it stay out of the general public space.

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[-] dumbass@leminal.space 19 points 3 weeks ago

You can't think of a single greater mistake either of those country's has made that's worse than legal weed? Not a single one?

[-] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago

What a douche.

[-] Chozo@fedia.io 19 points 3 weeks ago
[-] ReCursing@lemmings.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

I'd rather he didn't do that either, any more

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 18 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Who asked your opinion and since when as it become relevant?

Go listen to Rocket Man. Please, do that.

This is an individual well known for being a diva, in the bad sense of the expression. He once cancelled a show in my country, with a fully sold out venue, at 250€ a seat, because - grab your seats! - he demand a "masseusse" and the venue was unable to provide a profissional willing to provide the service.

His penchant for heavy drinking is also a well known issue and I have a somewhat hazy memory of reading somewhere he was once a cocaine user. ~~Hoover~~ Vacuum cleaner level. Industrial force.

So... who died and made his opinion relevant?

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[-] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 16 points 3 weeks ago

Stupid old bonger meddling in North American affairs.

[-] Steve@communick.news 14 points 3 weeks ago

Even if I agreed it was a mistake, I'd have a hard time placing it in the top 500.

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[-] Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

Soooooooooooo, Germany's Legalization is fine then?

Okay good! (Join the BubatzGartenClub!)

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[-] Deello@lemm.ee 13 points 3 weeks ago

I don't think he would be as famous if people weren't doing drugs while listening to his music

[-] Upperhand@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Or because of the drugs he was doing when making his music.

[-] x00z@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

I get paranoid from weed.

But I do like myself some ketamine, cocaine, LSD, DMT, GHB, and MDMA :D

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[-] peteypete420@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago

It can be addictive. It can lead to other drugs. Neither of which means it needs to be illegal.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago

If we want to worry about addicts, maybe we should worry about all of the sugar addicts, considering obesity is a much bigger problem when it comes to all sorts of things in society, especially our healthcare system.

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[-] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

There are bad outcomes to cannabis use. It can kick off schizophrenia and depersonalization disorder, it actually can lower your IQ, and ending up in hospital because of palpitations from the high doses in gummies also happens, as well as cannabis hyperemesis, and it can affect sexual health and cause long term changes in the brain. This podcast did some great research https://www.psychiatrypodcast.com/psychiatry-psychotherapy-podcast/2019/5/1/marijuana-and-mental-health

Do I think recreational use is any more risky than alcohol? No. But using alcohol every day isn't great and neither is cannabis. A drink or two, a joint on the weekend? Not a big deal. Have some fun.

I think legalization in Canada is a bit mixed, dispensing with arresting and prosecuting people for having a little pot was a waste of time, and I don't really care if people relax with it. But there is a demonstrated increase in adverse outcomes from cannabis with legalization on the studies. And the 90 zillion weed stores in every city is overkill. Literally one on every block.

I don't use cannabis, the two times I've tried it it just made me tired so I don't see the point, but I don't care if people do. I just don't think it's wise not to know the risks.

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