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submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by Allonzee@lemmy.world to c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world

All I've been able to find are cherry picked words and sentences the police tell the press in both's attempts to spin it for their narratives.

Is it foolish to hope the public will get to read it in its relative entirety (a word or a name redacted is understandable, not entire paragraphs) in less than years or decades?

Legal process is a blindspot for me, I don't know what they're able to have as evidence that they can also keep from the public eye if they wish.

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[-] lukes26@lemm.ee 109 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/luigis-manifesto

Klippenstein is an independent journalist who has been really good at reporting on this whole story, so I trust that this is the actual manifesto the police have.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 63 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

If that's the real one, then it's pretty obvious why they don't want to publish it. It's basically saying what everyone feels, fuck these people who, with a swipe of a pen, can kill thousands.

[-] nimble 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

That last line of manifesto hits hard

[-] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 7 points 7 months ago
[-] NoNotLikeThat@lemm.ee 52 points 7 months ago

Fuck the police. Don't trust anything they say. They have an image to keep up.

[-] JoYo@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 months ago

the NYPD have to finish writing the manifesto first.

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 50 points 7 months ago

To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone. This was fairly trivial: some elementary social engineering, basic CAD, a lot of patience. The spiral notebook, if present, has some straggling notes and To Do lists that illuminate the gist of it. My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering so probably not much info there. I do apologize for any strife of traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder: the US has the #1 most expensive healthcare system in the world, yet we rank roughly #42 in life expectancy. United is the [indecipherable] largest company in the US by market cap, behind only Apple, Google, Walmart. It has grown and grown, but as our life expectancy? No the reality is, these [indecipherable] have simply gotten too powerful, and they continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allwed them to get away with it. Obviously the problem is more complex, but I do not have space, and frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument. But many have illuminated the corruption and greed (e.g.: Rosenthal, Moore), decades ago and the problems simply remain. It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty.

Apparently this is it.

[-] aasatru@kbin.earth 3 points 7 months ago

frankly I do not pretend to be the most qualified person to lay out the full argument.

Fair enough.

Here are the two sources he cites as examples:

Elisabeth Rosenthal (2017) An American Sickness: How healthcare became big business and how you can take it back. Penguin Press.
Michael Moore (2007) Sicko. Dog Eat Dog Films.

[-] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 36 points 7 months ago
[-] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I missed a lot if he's already on #3

[-] SelfProgrammed@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)
[-] otter@lemmy.ca 39 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I saw this earlier, and some comments were saying that it's fake. The reasons stated were

  • it doesn't match the other snippets that were released (but those other snippets may not be real either, or this might be a separate document from the one at the arrest)

  • it doesn't match his writing style (which might be reasonable given that it was hand written)

Regardless, it might be better to wait for more confirmation

[-] lukes26@lemm.ee 12 points 7 months ago

Yeah I'm split on if it's real or not. Like the released quotes don't match at all, but it could also be that the handwritten one was a draft he cut down before posting.

The roadtrip from presumably Maryland to California to visit the Monterey Bay Aquarium is also kinda weird, like it feels unlikely that someone who is experiencing back pain that bad would take a road trip that long, even with medicine. Even driving for a few hours straight as someone with a good back who is still young can make my back hurt, so I imagine that someone who was waking up screaming every night because of the pain wouldn't be in a great position to drive cross country, no matter what medicine they were talking.

The fact it was posted the day of the arrest is also at least suspicious, like he could have had the paper copy on him because he posted it earlier before being arrested/spotted, but idk.

I kinda go back and forth on how much I believe it, so I'm definitely not saying it's conclusively fake or anything. I do think waiting for confirmation is probably a good idea like you say though, but regardless of the veracity it's definitely a heartbreaking piece of writing. So many of the stories people have shared, both in the wake of this and before, are so similar. I definitely believe this could be true.

[-] Allonzee@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Much obliged, and thank you!

Edit-I agree with his overarching point:

An active War is being waged upon the non-wealthy masses by the owners, a war sanctioned by our own government that will not intervene, whether the non-wealthy masses peacefully line up as is expected of them to get executed like good lil boys and girls in the name of private profit or not.

[-] turtle@lemm.ee 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

This one is fake. The (supposedly) real one has now been published by Ken Klippenstein, and is linked in another comment on this thread.

[-] SelfProgrammed@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago

I see. In case anybody else stumbles across this:

https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/luigis-manifesto

[-] FundMECFSResearch 12 points 7 months ago

This was confirmed fake by NYT

[-] beansbeansbeans@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

Real or not, many likely echo a similar sentiment of frustration. Much to think about.

[-] BedSharkPal@lemmy.ca 8 points 7 months ago

If this is real I have a lot of sympathy for this guy. There's no way he will be getting the medical attention his chronic pain deserves.

[-] pushECX@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Some say this one is fake. I'm not convinced either way. While this may not have been the "manifesto" that was found on him when he was caught, why couldn't this have been written prior to the act and the one he was caught with written after?

[-] JoYo@lemmy.ml 18 points 7 months ago

the NYPD has to finish writing it first.

[-] Sergio@slrpnk.net 16 points 7 months ago

WARNING: anyone possessing such a manifesto may be suspect of "ill will towards corporate America."

[-] gaael@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

I am animated by ill will towards corporate anything tbh, corporate America only gets part of my hatred.

[-] garretble@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I read it yesterday from a link a friend shared - if it is the right document, that is. It seems like it is.

And it's what you expect: insurance screwed over his mom, and then him, so that plus a lot of stuff he was reading radicalized him to do what he did.

[-] Donnywholovedbowling@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

That's probably not the right one - someone above posted a link to a ken klippenstein page, that has the entire hand written one

[-] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 1 points 7 months ago

This, again, picks a few words and phrases from it, instead of linking it.

This does not answer OP's question, quite the opposite so.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

What three pages is no manifesto. That's a pamphlet.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Short answer: No.

Slightly longer answer: Nope.

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