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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 109 points 3 months ago

I do not blame any woman or queer person arming themselves in the U.S. right now. But I think that you should think of it as personal protection rather than preparation for something larger.

Be aware of this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disarmament_of_the_German_Jews

The Jews of Germany constituted less than 1 percent of the country's population. It is preposterous to argue that the possession of firearms would have enabled them to mount resistance against a systematic program of persecution implemented by a modern bureaucracy, enforced by a well-armed police state, and either supported or tolerated by the majority of the German population. Mr. Carson's suggestion that ordinary Germans, had they had guns, would have risked their lives in armed resistance against the regime simply does not comport with the regrettable historical reality of a regime that was quite popular at home. Inside Germany, only the army possessed the physical force necessary for defying or overthrowing the Nazis, but the generals had thrown in their lot with Hitler early on.

Obviously, women and queer people are a lot more than 1% of the population, but you can't count on every queer person being on the right side and you certainly can't count on every woman to be on the right side.

[-] WraithGear@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago

The second amendment was not made for personal protection

[-] EldritchFeminity 42 points 3 months ago

It was also opposed by George Washington on the argument that "A bunch of farmers with guns will never defeat a trained army." He basically did exactly that, but it took the support of one of the world's largest super powers at the time in order to do it - France.

Not to say don't arm yourself. I plan on doing exactly that myself. But don't expect to be overthrowing the dictatorship to come. There are no resistance groups being armed by the EU here.

[-] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 26 points 3 months ago

Washington was talking about the militias that were present in the early parts of the war that were under trained and undisciplined. The red coats took them easily and they fled often so the continental congress started the continental army lead by Washington, which was a trained and disciplined army in the style of European standing armies, which was able to take on and even defeat the British occasionally.

After the war the ruling elite still had this idealized vision of citizen militias protecting the liberty of white man and saw it as a less tyrannical, and cheaper model then the European professional standing army and made the second amendment to encourage it. Washington was saying that that system failed and will never work and that we should have a trained army ready to take on European powers if they come back.

Now we have the worst of both worlds, a massive army that gobbles up tax dollars and a bunch of untrained citizens with guns who barely understand what a militia is much less can protect the liberty of the nation.

[-] EldritchFeminity 13 points 3 months ago

Yeah, pretty much what I was getting at. We live in a country where everybody believes themselves to be the hero in their own Rambo style action movie.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

"Just another American who saw too many movies as a child? Another orphan of a bankrupt culture who thinks he's John Wayne? Rambo? Marshal Dillon?"

Edit: I can't be the only person who's seen Die Hard.

[-] EldritchFeminity 11 points 3 months ago

You mean the best Christmas movie?

[-] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 months ago

There are no resistance groups being armed by the EU here.

Not yet.

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[-] pyre@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

that was before tanks and instant communication. the army would have been less organized and maybe you could have a chance against the government, especially as a militia. today you don't.

you do have a chance against a bunch of fuckwads who threaten you because the party they voted for won and the think they can rape freely now. just not the government.

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[-] Ekybio@lemmy.world 79 points 3 months ago

With sentiment like "your body, my choice" floating around more and more, I hope that everyone in need will arm themselves accoringly.

Because the guys on the other guys think they are made of steel. Remind them that they have a lot of very vulnerable blood vessels close to the skin and that knifes are as cheap as their lies...

[-] kipo@lemm.ee 77 points 3 months ago

Jessie McGrath, 63, a lifelong Republican who is trans, grew up around guns on farms in Colorado and Nebraska. She decided to vote for Harris when Republicans started attacking gender-affirming care and “wanting to basically outlaw my ability to exist”. She ended up being a delegate at the Democratic national convention.

“Government getting involved in making healthcare decisions is something that I never thought I would see the Republican party doing,” she said.

What the actual...how are people this ignorant.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago

You know how some cis people are fucking morons? We won’t better than y’all.

[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 70 points 3 months ago

The left needs to get on board with this. Govt isn’t going to protect you from far right militias when the shit hits the fan.

[-] nothing@lemm.ee 21 points 3 months ago

Cops aren't required to protect you from anything. Learn how to protect you and yours. And learn how to read situations, always.

[-] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

They're going to pardon the militias like Wheels McGee did to that protester murderer in Texas.

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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 66 points 3 months ago

Can confirm, my wife has expressed an interest. We're just waiting for the local LGBTQ friendly range to open.

The other local ranges are either run by cops (ACAB) or require NRA memberships to join. Yeah, that's not happening.

[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago

Sometimes you have to open the gun range you wish to see in your neighborhood.

Or something like that. I think Gandhi said it.

[-] themadcodger@kbin.earth 13 points 3 months ago

Hey, you're in PDX, right? Do you have recommendations?

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The one we're waiting on is called Wooster Armory in Tigard/Beaverton. Kinda by Washington Square, by the Guitar Center. The gunshop is open, but it looks like they're having trouble getting the range open. I'm going to pop in and say "Hi!" today and see what the deal is.

Threat Dynamics in Sherwood is good too, I did my AR training there.

Edit Wooster is now saying January for members, February for the public.

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[-] Yewb@lemmy.world 52 points 3 months ago

Im a liberal guess who now has a gun safe with multiple guns?

I guess we are making America great again by arming the liberals too?

[-] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 44 points 3 months ago

American ‘solutions’ for American problems

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[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 3 months ago

Remember that step 2 is to practice!

[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 38 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The whole Russian project was to have our "polite society" collapse as we, as Americans, lost all faith in our institutions and turned against one another and in the process, also lost any kind of collective identity, which makes us a weaker target externally. That happened.

It's crazy to me, looking back, how much this was openly discussed along the way, as it successfully happened in slow motion over the last 10-15 years - wasn't there also a book released that just laid their strategy bare? If there are historians in the future, will be amazing to read the perspective on all of this with time and analysis from those not trapped within the cycle of death and hopelessness.

[-] Denidil@lemm.ee 19 points 3 months ago

It works because those of us who read and learn about things like this are a minority of the population. Not one large enough to counteract the effect either.

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[-] Infomatics90@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 months ago

Yes it is called the foundations of geopolitics, written by Aleksandr Dugin. Its free to read on the internet archive.

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[-] Clbull@lemmy.world 38 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

At this rate America's 4B movement is gonna stand for "bang bang bang bang"...

[-] Jank@literature.cafe 13 points 3 months ago

I thought the whole point was not to bang?

[-] Yeller_king@reddthat.com 12 points 3 months ago

Stop banging and start banging!

[-] madjo@feddit.nl 8 points 3 months ago

So anyway, I started blasting...

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[-] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 37 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Guns!, the cause and solution to most of America's problems.

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 months ago

Nah, man, the ultimate cause is always anti-black racism.

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[-] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

Checking 2 boxes out of 4 from the Libertarian dream

[-] PagingDoctorLove@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

I have a conundrum, maybe people in this thread can weigh in.

I'm a woman living in an area with a small but loud MAGA faction and useless police who are probably also Trump supporters. I'm also not white.

Hunting is common here, and although I've never been I do know how to shoot and have access to classes if I want to improve. We also have friends and family with firearms and a couple of them live nearby.

I feel like I should get a gun. I know how to use one and I want to be able to protect myself if necessary. But I'm scared of firearms. Something about them disturbs me. Maybe it's the likelihood of someone dying once a gun comes out. Maybe it's just a fear, however unfounded, that I can't or shouldn't handle such a powerful tool. But the reason behind the feeling doesn't matter so much as my ability to overcome it, and I'm not sure I can. If I had money to burn I'd buy one just to see how I feel, but I don't so I can't.

In short, I'm torn. I want to be able to just get a gun for peace of mind and call it a day, but I fear that as soon as the gun is in my house I will become a nervous wreck and that will defeat the whole purpose.

I'd love to hear from anyone who feels the same or has overcome this fear.

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[-] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

Why are Americans answers to everything guns? So much paranoia and mental health issues in this country it's insane.

[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 52 points 3 months ago

Well, we can't effectively ban guns. At least not in our foreseeable political future. And the people who are already armed are overwhelmingly voting to elect a fascist who likes to incite violence among minority groups.......... It's kinda easy to see why people would want to arm themselves.

[-] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I mean rapists, transphobes, bigots, and neo Nazis all now feel carte blanche freedom to do whatever they please in this country. There will absolutely be more crimes against women, LGBTQ+, minorities, and liberals. Not arming yourself against these animals is the insane thing.

[-] SleepyBear@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

If you look at the one side of the political spectrum that seems to be usurping power over here, they fucking LOVE guns. It wouldnt surprise me that if they got violent, it would be armed heavily with firearms. This is the exact response i would expect from would be victims of aforementioned gun violence. in the words of my constituion and bible humping american brethren, we shall NOT BE VICTIM TO A TYRANNICAL STATE!

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

What would you suggest? I have three trans friends who are making plans to move, at least for a few years, but not everyone can do that.

[-] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 months ago

It's me, another trans who is actively applying to move out of the US. If I were staying here I'd be arming myself too even though I hate everything about guns. I've been voting, protesting, community aid, talking with people I know, building relations with my neighbors, it's all backsliding anyway. Not a lot of options left for me

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[-] SpitSalute@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

We as leftists, must organize in ways that match the fascists. Subversion of their goals is our goal. The class and culture war is in full effect and we must not be complacent.

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