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I am a long term GrapheneOS user and would like to talk about it. r/privacy on the redditland blocks custom OS discussions which I think is very bad for user privacy, and I hope this post will be useful to anyone who are in the hunt for better privacy.

Nowadays smartphones are a much bigger threats to our privacy and Desktop systems, and unfortunately manufacturers has designed them to be locked down devices with no user freedom. You can't just "install Linux" on most smartphones and it is horrible. And most preloaded systems spy on us like crazy. That was why I specifically bought a pixel and loaded GOS onto it.

According to https://grapheneos.org/features , they start from base AOSP's latest version, imptoves upon it's security and significantly hardens it. There's hardened_malloc to.prevent against exploitation, disabling lots of debugging features, disabling USB-c data, hardening the Linux kernel and system apps etc. They even block accessing the hardware identifiers of the phone so that apps cannot detect whqt phone you're using. That means with Tor and zero permissions given, apps are anonymous.

Compatibility with apps are best in Custom ROMs but there are still that can't work, especially if they enforce device integrity. Very few apps usually enforce that tho. Also their community isn't the friendliest but you can get help. Just don't try and engage too much or have too many debates.

Anyone else here use GrapheneOS, or any other privacy ROMs? What is your experience? Do you disagree on any point? Let's have a discussion!

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[-] SpiceDealer@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

I'm pretty sure that every Android Lemmy user has a Custom ROM installed on their device. Currently daily driving GrapheneOS on my Pixel 7 Pro.

[-] Der_Fossyler@feddit.org 1 points 16 hours ago

Sending this from Lineage OS 21 ^^

[-] mayhair@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Not me unfortunately ... I used to have a Samsung Galaxy S9+ with an unofficial port of LineageOS. Nowadays I'm using a Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra with the stock OS.

Maybe a Pixel should be my next phone, so that I get proper support for most custom ROMs.

[-] agile_squirrel@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago

I've been using it for just over 2 years now and am very happy with it. I am curious about CalyxOS though. While I don't think I'd switch I'd be interested in a technical deep dive comparison between the 2.

[-] kyub@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Using it since many years on many Pixels and loving it.

Main pros: zero bloat, efficient, highly secure and highly private (about as private and secure as it can get on any smartphone), and it's an Android without any of Android's typical weaknesses (privacy issues, bloat, etc.). You get to utilize the advantages of Google (its security) and completely avoid the disadvantages (its many privacy issues). You get to use all the advantages of an Android mobile OS while completely avoiding all of its disadvantages. It's like getting your cake and eating it too. You're much better off in terms of security and privacy than almost(?) all other smartphone users. According to leaked documents, Cellebrite for example can't crack GrapheneOS on Pixels at all. They can crack almost any other smartphone if they have physical access to it. Most smartphones are really easy for them to crack. iPhones may pose some trouble depending on model/OS. And Graphene on Pixel is the literal brick wall. And even on top of that it has tons of great security features, like auto-reboot after X hours of inactivity, charge-only-mode for USB-C when locked, distress/duress PIN entry to immediately wipe the phone, many things like that. On the privacy side it's looking great as well: Some folks have analyzed Graphene's network traffic and there's zero privacy issues from the OS or its built-in apps. And the few connections it does make (for updates and so on) are all documented and work exactly like they documented them, and they only transmit the exact least amount of necessary data without anything beyond that (guess what - that's super rare). And on top of that there's even more great privacy features, some of which are invisible but well thought-out, for example any SUPL request goes through a Graphene proxy server first (configurable) which strips all personally-identifiable data from the request and then redirects it to your provider's SUPL server (which is most likely Google's SUPL server in the end). I'm seriously impressed by the quality of the GrapheneOS project. Maybe you don't realize how good and rare such things are nowadays. Also the documentation is very good and actually answers most of your questions and doesn't contain any marketing blurb. The social media feeds and forums are a great source of info as well. On top of all that it's even easy to install GrapheneOS.

Main cons: it's only available on Google Pixel phones, so if you truly despise Google and don't want to buy or use anything from them, it's not the right device/OS for you (or maybe buy it used?). However, the reason GrapheneOS is on Pixel is purely a technical one: Pixels do offer very high hardware based security already (probably the most, although iPhones have good hardware-based security as well. As is known, Apple tends to be produce good quality hardware, not quite so good software) as well as a very high degree of "platform neutrality", i.e. it's supported by Google to flash a different OS on it or use more advanced tools like adb without any sort of tinkering or unnecessary danger involved. Also you don't have to register to unlock your phone or anything, you only need to be online once to enable the OEM unlocking feature (I think this is because Google needs your IMEI to check whether the phone is carrier-locked (cannot ever be OEM unlocked) or can be unlocked, and they will immediately receive some device data including the IMEI as soon as you go online with the preinstalled Android OS once [of course they will receive some more device data than just the IMEI]), so it's best to not insert your SIM yet (and not do anything with the preinstalled OS) before you've installed GrapheneOS on your new Pixel. Do the OEM unlocking step on WiFi only, best on a public WiFi so Google has much less of a chance to identify you based on your IP or related data. Then install Graphene, then insert your SIM and start using your new phone. Other cons exist but they're rare or pretty much irrelevant in daily use. If you have to hear them, read an older post by me about some potential downsides: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/19867254/12069767

[-] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago

Pixel 6a with GrapheneOS here. Been using for about a year and a half, and loving it.

[-] dyson@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

Exact same setup here! Almost no problems. Also loving it

[-] agile_squirrel@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

I don't like the fingerpront sensor. Other than that it works great for me.

[-] bl4kers@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago

A simple search will tell you a ton of people here use GrapheneOS and other custom ROMs. Are you karma farming?

[-] snrkl@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 day ago

I've been using it on multiple devices for multiple years.

It works for me, and every app in want to use works. I've found that when they don't, it almost always is broken on the stock OS also.

[-] DollarColonial@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

I have 1 Pixel 7a running Graphene, 2 Pixel 6a running Graph, 1 Pixel Tablet too, and Pixel 4a using DivestOS.

Top tier.

[-] eleitl@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

How do you like it on the tablet? I've been using CyanogenMod and LineageOS the longest time. Waiting for a Pixel tablet sellout.

[-] R3D4CT3D@midwest.social 8 points 1 day ago

i really want to make the switch but need to figure out how to steal a pixel phone bc i sure as hell ain’t paying for one

[-] sfjvvssss@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago
[-] theskyisfalling@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 days ago

Ive used it for around a year and a half and never had any issues. My banking app stopped working after about 8 months but I just log in via a browser and it hasn't effected my life at all.

For anyone considering the move here is a list of bank apps and their current working status as I know that is a big consideration people worry over.

[-] mayhair@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 day ago

The UBL app isn't listed, hope it'll work 🙏

[-] Forbo@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

You can always give it a run and add a report. Also, if it doesn't work, give the app devs feedback that it is preventing you from using it. It might not be much but we can at least try to make our voices heard.

[-] Charger8232@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago

I have the pleasure of using GrapheneOS. I can't imagine using anything else. It was also the first (widely used) custom Android distribution to adopt Android 15. As far as I can tell, almost no others support Android 15 yet.

[-] Object@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Other than Starbucks app and VoLTE stuff, I haven't encountered an issue yet. Somehow all my banking apps work. The profile feature alone makes it worth it. They also recently increased the number of profiles that can be run in parallel, too.

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[-] theroff@aussie.zone 5 points 1 day ago

I use GrapheneOS but I don't like how Google Play-centric it is. It is geared towards people installing their "normal" apps with the GrapheneOS special sauce sandboxing. No F-Droid by default where all of the FOSS apps are.

[-] Darth_Vader__@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

They are very security fovused and is against f-droid's poor security practices. They do push accrescent through their stores tho

[-] shapis@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

Tried it, tons of apps don't work and battery life was ass.

[-] Forbo@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

Were you using sandboxed Play Services? Having multiple apps doing their own notification listeners can definitely impact battery, but I've not had an issue.

[-] Neptr 5 points 1 day ago

My recommendation is GOS if you care about out of box experience and using gapps, DivestOS if you care about degoogling and removal of proprietary code. Both are hardened.

[-] communism@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago

Last 4 or so phones have all been GrapheneOS (I'm not buying new phones all the time to be clear; I use phones till they break; I'm just a long-time user) and yeah I've really had no problems to speak of. I currently have a separate profile with Play services for certain apps, and also just to isolate non-privacy-respecting apps that I have to have installed for whatever reason.

Almost all the apps I use are FOSS apps who are aware that a significant amount of their userbase will be using various AOSP forks so I've not run into any app compatibility issues. Even back when I used banking apps, I'd used 4 different banks' apps on GrapheneOS and all of them worked completely fine. Now I don't have a banking app because I won't install proprietary software unless I actually have to for some reason, and I can bank on the web just fine.

[-] Fluid@aussie.zone 1 points 1 day ago

How do you find it as a daily driver in terms of QoL features such as banking apps and payments etc?

[-] Bronzie@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

Not a problem. Google Play is still available, with all apps you have today. If you want to run that, then it works allmost like stock but with more control over everything. Only thing missing is Google Pay and I strugle with RCS messages. I never use SMS so I don't care about that one and it could be just me.

Alternatively you can run Google Play Services in a different, sandboxed profile if you're going for privacy.

[-] Fluid@aussie.zone 1 points 15 hours ago

Thanks, that's useful, I think it's convinced me to finally switch

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[-] Samsy@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I was a long time lineageOS user and love the freedom of changing anything. I switched to grapheneOS and like it, but miss some features, that are just pointless and not relatable: no full AMOLED dark mode - the devs said the battery savings between dark and pure dark isn't relevant. and the other thing is: why is the white bar on the bottom not removable?

Because of these things I switched back to lineageOS and realised how dumb it is because of two optical features. GOS is definitely worth to look over two missing features and I switched back to GOS.

Anyway the most interesting transition from an lineage user to an grapheneOS user is, you realise that root isn't useful and more risk than fun.

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[-] root@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I had daily drove it for years, but recently started testing the water with iOS. Still have GOS on my secondary devices though.

[-] Gebruikersnaam@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

Is the camera still good on Graphene? It is pretty much the only thing that holds my Oneplus 6T back.

[-] czech@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago

The camera is fine but I prefer to use googles camera app. Both work.

[-] ByteBovine@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago

You can even install Google Camera app without google play services and deny it Internet access. All works fine.

[-] ouch@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Personally for me the most important thing in Android is automatic native call recording. If GrapheneOS gets that, I will consider buying a Google Pixel device.

Also, banking and other apps should stop using Play Integrity API.

[-] egerlach@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago

It's okay if they use the Play Integrity API, they just need to also whitelist the keys that sign the official Graphene OS ROMs. Not that I expect they'll do that, mind you...

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[-] joanne@aussie.zone 4 points 2 days ago

I've been using it for a few months. Very happy with it. Minimalistic initial setup, gives you the feeling of control as well as privacy, bank apps work splendidly... an effortless transition, I say as somebody who previously used iPhone but wasn't tied into the ecosystem.

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[-] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago

I would but my Pixel 6's USB connection is entirely useless. It hasn't successfully connected to a cable in over a year.

I was considering it for my next one, though, whenever that is. Don't really feel the need for an upgrade atm.

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