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[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 73 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Should get a regular salary

The operative word in that statement is should, Leon

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago

Yeah, I want waitstaff to be paid a living wage.

Until that happens tipping is a necessary evil.

[-] amorpheus@lemmy.world 37 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Or maybe tipping is enabling the practice?

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Tipping doesn't enable the practice, but not tipping does negatively impact the people who are being taken advantage of by the system.

If enough people were willing to stop tipping to end the practice by ruining the lives of waitstaff by cutting off their source of income there would be enough people to push for laws to pay a fair wage without needing to cause the problem in the first place.

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 13 points 10 months ago

If enough people were willing to stop tipping to end the practice by ruining the lives of waitstaff by cutting off their source of income there would be enough people to push for laws to pay a fair wage without needing to cause the problem in the first place.

It is the same logical leap that says if we just keep not voting for Democrats, they’ll suddenly get better.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Yes, same logic and predictable outcome.

[-] amorpheus@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

How is it the same? Democrat is not a job that needs filling. See what restaurants will do if their staff have to leave for better paying jobs.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

I'm not even sure that's the case. I went to a restaurant where there was a required "tip" (regardless of party size) and then they gave the option for an additional tip. I assume they did that because a large enough percentage of patrons did not tip and I assume this is what businesses in the US would do in general, rather than just increase the prices on the menu which would give customers a more clear picture of what they'll be spending.

[-] CorrodedCranium@leminal.space 9 points 10 months ago

The whole cart and horse thing

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 12 points 10 months ago

"Does that mean you're going to harass the owners to pay them a living wage, Leon? Maybe hand them some literature, mount some social pressure or a boycott? Change the laws? Give the owners a pile of 'tip' money from you, to give to the workers as proper wages? Something?"

"No. I like the owners. They sell me milkshakes."

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Give the owners a pile of ‘tip’ money from you, to give to the workers as proper wages?

I think that last one might not be all that effective

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 4 points 10 months ago

I mean, something. That one gets the workers paid without them needing to enter into any kind of weird payment-is-voluntary servitude for it. It might also shame the owners into just abolishing the policy. Certainly it has a higher chance of success than just stiffing the workers and advising other shoppers to do the same.

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 54 points 10 months ago

If a better metaphor for communists on the internet exists, I haven't heard it. This is hard to beat.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 39 points 10 months ago

"You have a good point, but you aren't doing what you think you're doing"

[-] TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Disco Elysium house of cards communist moment is my personal fave.

Real life tho this is it

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 2 points 10 months ago

A lot of "Internet communists" don't much care for Trotsky either.

[-] pedz@lemmy.ca 51 points 10 months ago

He was right. Tipping culture is horrible and should go away.

[-] shplane@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

Let’s make living wages a thing first

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

That's how you make it go away

[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Right sentiment, wrong solution.

You don't fix workers' problems by being a dick to them and making it hard for them to afford to live - you fix workers' problems by inflicting the pain on the decision makers - employers and legislators.

[-] Tehdastehdas@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago

The mistake was to push an individual solution to a systemic problem. He should have tried to get mandatory tipping banned.

[-] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

C'mon, Trotsky, don't be a dick

Literally impossible

[-] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 10 points 10 months ago

In drag's country, we listened to Trotsky. Nobody tips. And it's great. We have a living minimum wage and waiters actually get paid it.

[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 5 points 10 months ago

He do be right.

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 3 points 10 months ago

Fuck Trotsky, all the homies hate Trotsky.

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