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[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 73 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Should get a regular salary

The operative word in that statement is should, Leon

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I want waitstaff to be paid a living wage.

Until that happens tipping is a necessary evil.

[-] amorpheus@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Or maybe tipping is enabling the practice?

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Tipping doesn't enable the practice, but not tipping does negatively impact the people who are being taken advantage of by the system.

If enough people were willing to stop tipping to end the practice by ruining the lives of waitstaff by cutting off their source of income there would be enough people to push for laws to pay a fair wage without needing to cause the problem in the first place.

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 13 points 1 year ago

If enough people were willing to stop tipping to end the practice by ruining the lives of waitstaff by cutting off their source of income there would be enough people to push for laws to pay a fair wage without needing to cause the problem in the first place.

It is the same logical leap that says if we just keep not voting for Democrats, they’ll suddenly get better.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Yes, same logic and predictable outcome.

[-] amorpheus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

How is it the same? Democrat is not a job that needs filling. See what restaurants will do if their staff have to leave for better paying jobs.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I'm not even sure that's the case. I went to a restaurant where there was a required "tip" (regardless of party size) and then they gave the option for an additional tip. I assume they did that because a large enough percentage of patrons did not tip and I assume this is what businesses in the US would do in general, rather than just increase the prices on the menu which would give customers a more clear picture of what they'll be spending.

[-] CorrodedCranium@leminal.space 9 points 1 year ago

The whole cart and horse thing

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 12 points 1 year ago

"Does that mean you're going to harass the owners to pay them a living wage, Leon? Maybe hand them some literature, mount some social pressure or a boycott? Change the laws? Give the owners a pile of 'tip' money from you, to give to the workers as proper wages? Something?"

"No. I like the owners. They sell me milkshakes."

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Give the owners a pile of ‘tip’ money from you, to give to the workers as proper wages?

I think that last one might not be all that effective

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 4 points 1 year ago

I mean, something. That one gets the workers paid without them needing to enter into any kind of weird payment-is-voluntary servitude for it. It might also shame the owners into just abolishing the policy. Certainly it has a higher chance of success than just stiffing the workers and advising other shoppers to do the same.

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 54 points 1 year ago

If a better metaphor for communists on the internet exists, I haven't heard it. This is hard to beat.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

"You have a good point, but you aren't doing what you think you're doing"

[-] TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Disco Elysium house of cards communist moment is my personal fave.

Real life tho this is it

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 2 points 1 year ago

A lot of "Internet communists" don't much care for Trotsky either.

[-] pedz@lemmy.ca 51 points 1 year ago

He was right. Tipping culture is horrible and should go away.

[-] shplane@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

Let’s make living wages a thing first

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

That's how you make it go away

[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Right sentiment, wrong solution.

You don't fix workers' problems by being a dick to them and making it hard for them to afford to live - you fix workers' problems by inflicting the pain on the decision makers - employers and legislators.

[-] Tehdastehdas@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

The mistake was to push an individual solution to a systemic problem. He should have tried to get mandatory tipping banned.

[-] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

C'mon, Trotsky, don't be a dick

Literally impossible

[-] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 10 points 1 year ago

In drag's country, we listened to Trotsky. Nobody tips. And it's great. We have a living minimum wage and waiters actually get paid it.

[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 5 points 1 year ago

He do be right.

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

Fuck Trotsky, all the homies hate Trotsky.

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