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Summary

With Donald Trump’s 2024 election win, young Gen Z voters like Kate, Holly, and Rachel are grappling with deepening divides with their Trump-supporting parents.

For many, these conflicts go beyond policy disagreements, touching on core values and morality. Parents once focused on fiscal conservatism have, in some cases, embraced conspiracy theories, creating painful rifts.

Studies suggest political divisions are increasingly seen as moral judgments, fostering a “mega-identity” where political views signify personal decency.

For these young adults, maintaining family connections amidst such ideological fractures has become challenging.

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[-] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 173 points 5 days ago

Don’t deal with them. Walk away. You’re allowed to be mad at your parents for electing a felon dictator. You’re allowed to hate them and not talk to them again. That’s their loss, and you don’t need such toxic people in your life.

[-] Know_not_Scotty_does@lemmy.world 94 points 5 days ago

Here is where I am at and why. I believe that the next administration is a significant risk for the country, the envionment, and will likely have global geopolitical implications on what happens to Ukraine, Taiwan, and Gaza. The immigration policy and rehetoric is unbelievably hateful, not based on reality, and will likely be an unmitigated disaster. The promises to eliminate the ACA and governmental regulatory bodies/oversight in the EPA, FDA, and NOAA make all our our lives more risky and worse. Specifically though, they my MY KIDS LIVES MORE RISKY. If you are going to actively vote against MY KIDS, YOUR GRANDKIDS lives/futures in such a fundamental way, you don't get to be a part of my life.

[-] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 5 days ago

I'm in hard agreement with you, EuroTrip Yoda (had to).

My in-laws definitely voted Harris, my dad passed 4 years ago (Vietnam vet - not a trump fan), and my mom went down an idiotic rabbit hole. I haven't talked to my mom in weeks, and I'm sure she knows why.

She also doesn't know that we are planning to leave the country. I can't stay in a place that will reduce my daughter to a second class citizen without bodily autonomy. Yet that's what the nitwit I called "Mom" voted for.

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[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 122 points 5 days ago

I'm not young anymore but I would say that I'll never forgive my parents for their blind support of this shit.

The same people who have the nerve to tell you (fakely) they're proud of you and think you're really smart. But somehow I'm wrong about every single thing I've told them about trump for 9 years now

[-] ATDA@lemmy.world 52 points 5 days ago

Same. It's like you give them a situation, a fact, and how it applies. You ask for understanding and it's " maaaa maaaa MAGA! SHE TURNED BLACK SHE SLEPT HER WAY TO THE TOP"

But yeah, MY sources are wrong, and biased.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago

Right. I think my dad especially has the attitude that it's a) not really important enough to talk about and b) he gave up on the concept of him being wrong decades ago. He just couldn't be, so yes my sources are obviously all wrong. Any implication that he is wrong is unacceptable to his fragile ego. So fucking weak.

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[-] TheFuzz@lemmy.world 109 points 5 days ago

I’m late 50’s and so is my wife. My parents are gone but hers are all MAGA all the time. She hasn’t talked to them much in years. It’s not just younger adults but older ones as well. I still have trouble comprehending what has happened.

[-] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 72 points 5 days ago

I'm in my 40s and I always wonder "am I still young people?" When these articles come up. Middle age and modern society be weird.

[-] cmbabul@lemmy.world 35 points 5 days ago

Late 30s here, everyone is getting considered young people until the boomers and Silents die

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago

poor gen x. they're either boomers or millenials. Gen X doesn't exist.

(/mild sarcasm)

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[-] dumples@midwest.social 23 points 5 days ago

My wife and I are not going to her side of family's Thanksgiving this year since they are full Trumpers. Not worth seeing them since we don't like them that much anyhow and they will be insufferable this year. We are in our mid 30s.

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[-] Kalysta@lemm.ee 54 points 4 days ago

Dump your family. If this is how they’re gonna behave they don’t deserve you.

Also get them the shitty nursing home.

[-] aphlamingphoenix@lemm.ee 29 points 4 days ago

Nursing home? They can figure that out on their own or they can eat shit. I'm not doing anything for those fucking Nazis anymore.

[-] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago

First make sure you’re not in one of the 30 states with Filial Responsibility laws. From that site: ”Filial responsibility laws impose a legal obligation on adult children to take care of their parents’ basic needs and medical care.”

Every state’s laws are different and some states have never enforced them, but it’s definitely something to be aware of. It also might be a good idea to start keeping records/documentation of fights in case you need to argue such a law some day.

[-] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago

They ain’t gonna have any social security to pay for it. Guess they will have to be old street bums.

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[-] prof_wafflez@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago

Also get them the shitty nursing home.

Most nursing homes are shitty, tbf. Just leave them there and don't come back for visits

[-] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago

Don’t put them in a home, that just burns money. Let them live out their fully self sufficient dream and pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 40 points 4 days ago

I say this, as a parent, to people who worry about cutting off their parents if their parents are toxic people:

You owe your parents nothing. You did not ask to be born. They owe you everything. That's their duty.

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[-] slickgoat@lemmy.world 51 points 4 days ago

According to everything I've read, Trump was voted in by every demographic in swing states and even non-swing states.

I know that it's a instinctive flex to dump on boomers (with good reason) but this calls for a bit more of a deeper analysis.

[-] dirthawker0@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Fuentes, Gaetz, MTG, Miller, Boebert, Lake -- none of these people are boomers. GenX at most and a lot of millennials. A quick glance through the Southern Poverty Law Center's Leaders of the Radical Right show a lot in their 30s and 40s. Boomers vote and spend money, but they're largely too old to be activists in the traditional sense.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The far right recruited young people online in the ‘00s and ‘10s. Gamer gate was when it broke containment. That was men my age (30) and a bit older and younger

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[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 16 points 4 days ago

This is what we're going through with my in laws right now.

A chameleon holding a sign with a pride flag and an X through it asking "but we can still be friends, right?" to a chameleon in the pride colors.

[-] Sine_Fine_Belli@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Same here

This unfortunately, for real

Relatable

[-] Snowclone@lemmy.world 59 points 4 days ago

"conspiracy theories" like White People are The Genetic Master Race , Black People Haven't Ever Invented Anything As Far As I know, Political Disagreements Of Any Kind Only Began After We Let Women Vote , Racial Equality is a Communist Plot Maybe, Lets Not Have It, If a Single Italian Is In Heaven, I'll Throw Myself Into Hell , and I Drove By a School and Saw a Mexican Kid, This Country Is Already Lost, And I Bet The Jews Did It

[-] semperverus@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago

Top 10 bangers

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[-] AquaTofana@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

I'm still trying to have a relationship with my parents despite their love of Trump. My mother, she'll go out of her way to avoid politics with me and my husband, and I asked for a family photo with my nieces and nephews for Christmas, and she made sure all their Trump paraphernalia was removed. I still havent talked to her since the election as I'm still processing the fact that she voted for that fucker.

My dad on the other hand...the last time I spoke to him ended in a screaming match that he initiated, where he hung up on me because I called him racist due to him UNIRONICALLY believing that immigrants ate dogs and cats.

They want to homeschool my niece and nephew, and that terrifies me. That was ANOTHER huge argument that we had over the 2021-2022 Christmas period. I really didnt think Id ever go back after that. But Im so scared that if I dont try, those kids will never be exposed to ANYTHING other than my parents hateful views. I grew up in that environment. I had some views that Im not proud of today until I left home @ 19. I know how fucking convincing they are/how much they push the "fAmIlY oVeR eVeRyThInG" narrative.

That being said, I dont live anywhere near them, and I only see them once, maybe twice in a year, so Im not sure exactly how much affect I can even have on my niece and nephew. But I feel guilty not trying.

[-] NielsBohron@lemmy.world 57 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Why are they still claiming "fiscal conservatism" is anything more than racism and class warfare by a different name? Why are conservatives "stronger on economy?" Of course this is causing divides about morals; a vote for the GOP is a vote for oppression and hate.

This bullshit dog-whistling by the media has to stop or we're just letting 70+ million American voters off the hook by letting them claim "but I'm just worried about the economy."

edit: I can't find the source right now, but there's a quote about this. I'm paraphrasing, but it goes something like "historians have a term they use for a person who voted for Hitler because they liked his economic policies. That term is 'Nazi'"

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 30 points 4 days ago

Historians have a word for Germans who joined the Nazi party, not because they hated Jews, but out of a hope for restored patriotism, or a sense of economic anxiety, or a hope to preserve their religious values, or dislike of their opponents, or raw political opportunism, or convenience, or ignorance, or greed.

That word is "Nazi." Nobody cares about their motives anymore.

They joined what they joined. They lent their support and their moral approval. And, in so doing, they bound themselves to everything that came after. Who cares any more what particular knot they used in the binding?

—A.R. Moxon

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[-] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 61 points 5 days ago

Studies suggest political divisions are increasingly seen as moral judgments, fostering a “mega-identity” where political views signify personal decency.

I think this is important information that doesn't get enough attention. The divisions that exist in the US today are often portrayed in the media as mostly superficial, as though we only disagree on the minor details of public policy choices, but generally agree on the core principles. I don't think that's true. I think there are significant ideological, philosophical, and moral disagreements among Americans. We have fundamentally different ideals, and we have differing visions of how America should be, and for how people should act and behave.

There are not only two different visions. I don't think it is a strict dichotomy. I think there are several different, visions for the US. Some left, some right; some that want to focus on religious, social, cultural, or ethnic issues, some that want to focus on economic or material issues. There are multiple different ideals competing for supremacy, since the US is a de facto two party system, the winners are which ever groups can form the largest coalition of voters.

[-] Wojwo@lemmy.ml 65 points 5 days ago

There is only 2 basic core values.

The right: some people are better than others, and the betters should rule. They differ on what makes someone "better", but that's about it. The left: Everyone is equal, some people need more help than others. They differ on who needs the help.

[-] EldritchFeminity 31 points 4 days ago

The thing that really gets me about that quote is that of course your politics are a reflection of your morals. If you're willing to vote for the bigots, it's because, at best, you're ignorant of what they've been saying that they're going to do for a decade now, none of their bigotry is a bridge too far for you, or you actually agree with the bigotry. There are no other possibilities.

[-] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 21 points 4 days ago

Parents? My friend volunteered as a poll worker on the University campus here. At his location, 25% of the students voted for the orange fascist.

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

They are increasingly seen as moral judgements when people use their assumed morality as a platform from which to take rights away from people. Rights away from women and lgbtq at the forefront, but we’re also facing worker’s rights, your rights when encountering police as a minority, the law being more meaningless the more money someone has, your right to life in an increasingly gun-infested country where just standing in the wrong driveway will get you shot.

So it’s pretty easy to see why you don’t want to be around them.

[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 32 points 4 days ago

This headline is stupid.

Maga is the taliban, they're the feeling of disgust made into a group, and they're driving their friends and family away, and then dipshit news articles like this one pretend that it's the normal people's issue.

[-] prof_wafflez@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago

This headline is stupid.

Tbf the article is from Teen Vogue. It's a publication meant for teenagers and is probably trying to relate to them more than the MAGA parents

[-] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 5 days ago

Aren't tons of young adults also MAGA now

[-] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 5 days ago

Boomers were drawn in to MAGA to protect their wealth. Gen Z kids were attracted by the promise of lifting them out of poverty and change of the status quo on this. Fascists are really good at convincing people on all parts of the economic spectrum.

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[-] ThePerfectLink@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago

Not too strange of a phenomenon if one considers what populism focuses on, the fabrication of divides in order to drive tribal responses from it's followers.Trump's rhetoric is only one variety of it that happens to be very effective at creating that divide, those that are swayed shouldn't really be seen as people that support all of his nastiest views, but as people that have been taken in by that sense of tribalism.

The loss of community is increasingly problematic for individuals in this day in age. There exists too many groups vying for our attention, many of which being communities that span across the globe. And with all these options, local communities may not always seem preferential to these global ones due to comparative size or accessibility. However, they still generally offer much more, and can prevent people from feeling isolated in their lives. Populist campaigns seek to take these people that are divorced from a community, often socially isolated people, and give them a group that seemingly supports them. So long as it's welcoming, it doesn't really matter who's at the head of it, nor it's beliefs.

I feel the fact that older people that aren't quite retirement age and younger men being the people that are most likely to vote for Trump kinda speaks to this theory. I feel like these groups are the most at risk when it comes to developing rewarding communities, so a group like MAGA could be appealing to them.

[-] brlemworld@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago
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