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[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 166 points 5 days ago

Wow, he's the guy in the Matt Bors comic:

[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 64 points 5 days ago

I had an argument with my neighbor a few months ago. He was dead serious that it's the Democrats' fault for making young men Nazis. His arguments were basically exactly what this comic is saying. If you tell someone that hating minorities is wrong, that just makes them hate even harder.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

If you tell someone that X is wrong, that just makes them X harder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactance_(psychology)

The use of more concrete, low-controlling language, and the restoration of freedom through the inclusion of a choice-emphasizing postscript, may offer the best solution to reducing ambiguity and reactance

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[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 days ago

This is actually a very interesting psychological phenomenon. I'm no psychologist, but stretching what I learned from "how to win friends and influence people" to the extreme, directly opposing someone's viewpoint generally forces them to defend it. By defending it, they rationalize the reasons why they adhere to the idea, and thus end up convincing themselves of their belief.

Your opposition literally only serves to force them to rationalize their belief, and deepen their belief in that thing.

It's fascinating, but stupid. In my experience, the most intelligent people I've ever spoken to will always take opposition seriously, even if with a grain of salt. When struck with an opposing viewpoint, they usually inquire about it, asking the speaker to justify their position so they can understand why they came to this conclusion. The mildly intelligent will then use that justification to tear down the person's belief in that system. The highly intelligent will then ask questions that cause the speaker to question their own beliefs.

But doing nothing more than asking specific and pointed questions about someone's beliefs, I have seen very intelligent and clever people, get others to convince themselves that they're wrong in what they believe.

Long story short, your neighbor isn't wrong, but they're also not exactly correct. The character of a person, IMO, is not in what they believe in, but how they react to adversity. Whether that adversity is political, intellectual, physical, or emotional; how you deal with difficulty is the content of your character.

If making people of color, LGBTQIA+ people, and women, equal, by granting them the same rights and freedoms as everyone else (including bodily autonomy, and the ability to live, vote, and marry who they wish), causes you to start to lean towards fascism, what do you think that says about your character?

[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

There's lot of these chuds on reddit nowadays

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[-] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 114 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I don't believe it's your first time tim

[-] cybervseas@lemmy.world 70 points 5 days ago

Might be his first time voting

[-] EmptySlime 36 points 5 days ago

More likely the "president, congress, and senate" that's doing the heavy lifting here IMO. If I had to put money on it I'd probably guess it was usually like straight R and then like he'd vote for Joe Manchin and be like "see I voted for both Republicans and Democrats"

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[-] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 64 points 5 days ago

I googled it so you don't have to.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 29 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The 3 or 4 times I've heard someone use that word here on Lemmy to describe what they don't like, they've been pretty up front that it's about identity politics. IE they hate that trans people want to identify as a gender other than the one they were born with.

So this is making it look like they're just putting "identity" into a bigger word and making it sound fancier.

[-] BigDiction@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago

That definition appears inconsistent with how that word was used in the tweet. What is the leftist version?

[-] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago

Trying to find ideological consistency in this one might be a fool's errand, I'm sorry to say.

[-] Karjalan@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago

Pim tool is not what you would call a "smart" or "consistent" person... I'm fact, person may not even be the best descriptor for them.

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[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 days ago

It's identity politics, but smart-sounding!

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[-] chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago

Ya know, I think a lot of people miss the point on this. There are some real biggots that hate trans and yadda yadda, but the majority of joe everyman voter is really saying "im struggling to pay my bills and all you care about is peoples genders, and people who arent even american". Is it true? No. But politics for most people is about feeling and emotion. There is no logic talk that will change that. You have to meet simple people at their level; you cant force them to reach your level and understand all the nuance. They are not capable.

Its imperitive that the left stop falling back on this rhetoric, over the economic issues that the majority of voters care about. And dont say "well this policy and that policy and.." They dont understand any of that. They need to hear that they come first.

[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago

“I put a fascist in power because mcdonals tripled the price on a quarter pounder combo”

-Typical 3x trump voter-

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago

The thing is, the left ain’t doing shit for trans people. Kamala never said she’d do shit for our rights.

Conservatives are the ones who make this about trans people. I transitioned more than ten years ago - no one gave a rats ass in 2014.

[-] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 13 points 4 days ago

I just disagree with most of this. We should never stop talking about the social issues. A lot of really outspoken Trump etc folks are out to distort and transform our country in oppressive ways, with no regard to economics. We must fight that.

[-] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 70 points 5 days ago

Hey that's newsdude Cody Johnston!

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 31 points 5 days ago
[-] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago

I hear AG1 is where he gets all his news powers

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago

As long as it helps him to fight off the boar menace. Damn teleporting hogs.

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[-] billiam0202@lemmy.world 21 points 5 days ago

I bet Warmbo made him post on Twitter.

[-] mp3@lemmy.ca 65 points 5 days ago

Aka I got paid by a foreign actor under the table to push my audience further to the right.

[-] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 13 points 4 days ago

Tim Pool got his start being a shill against the Occupy Wall Street protestors in 2010 and 2011, like many of the fascists we all know and hate, such as Stephen Crowder. The idea that he has voted democrat until now is such a joke it is practically an anti-joke.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago

I bet dim tool the Russian fool says that every four years

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 29 points 5 days ago

Dude has no idea what he's saying and is just throwing labels around to sound smart. Hilariously, he might be outing himself as a racist too.

[-] Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 31 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

What's under the hat, Tim?

Take it off, you bald, insecure bitch. I did.

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[-] prime_number_314159@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Guys (et al), please don't make fun of the dim fool's name. It's rude and frankly immature.

Edited: spelling

[-] NeilBru@lemmy.world 26 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The supposedly "PC" left is full of fucking obnoxious and annoying brats who don't know anything about morality, anthropology, history, political theory, and basic statistics. They demonize white men en masse incessantly and condescend to any who challenge their half-baked fan-fictions or propose some sort of nuance to their premises. Many of them base their entire personalities on their mental illnesses and grievances.

But I still voted for Harris because, fundamentally, that's better odds of survival for the environment, unions, women's autonomy, protections for whistleblowers, antitrust measures, counters to Russian and CCP aggression, and basically everything else that actually matters to the survival of the species and our federal republic. IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A GRADUATE DEGREE TO FIGURE THAT OUT, TIMMY, YOU BALD CUCK.

Adults don't abandon their principles because of some dumbasses "on their side". And by the way, Harris was a dogshit corporatist establishment candidate that I'd NEVER vote for if given different circumstances.

[-] Timmy_Jizz_Tits@lemmy.world 16 points 5 days ago

Man, I remember a video I saw like 7 years ago. Two black college students were reading the riot act to a white kid for having dreadlocks. Like, I get it, but pick your battles. That is not your enemy. The left needs to recognize when they're overreacting because it just gives the right ammo for their nonsense gun. Because the voters the dems are losing, who barely pay attention, will have stronger reactions to trash like this than they have to nuanced defenses of bidens record in the post pandemic economy.

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[-] Artyom@lemm.ee 23 points 5 days ago

By the numbers, no one changes sides this election. The reason Kamala lost is about 10 million democrats just decided the presidential election isn't worth the voting line.

[-] Hobo@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

Tim Poole is so inconsistent with his own opinions that he regularly contradicts himself within the same thought. It's incredibly cringe inducing and wildly frustrating to even hate listen to his show. He also does some really blaringly racist cherry picking for topics and constantly pushes the "crime is out of control" narrative with only anecdotal evidence. I utterly hate his show and wish he would actually face some repercussions for his Russian payoff (he won't but I wish he would).

[-] Donkter@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

Theres more than one clip (I think by Some More News) of him stopping mid-sentence while reading as he realizes the article completely debunks the point he's trying to make and passing it off like it still made his point.

[-] Razzazzika@lemm.ee 5 points 4 days ago

That's exactly it, and this tweet image was none other than Cody Showdy himself.

[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 20 points 5 days ago

Watch the recent video of sam seder (Majority Report) going on tim pool's podcast, he shits on tim pool so bad, tim pool is a pathetic, hateful loser.

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[-] Philharmonic3@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Fuck him don't bring his bullshit here

[-] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

But definitely bring mista cody here

[-] Lightsong@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

What's really sad is that I see plenty of this among my community. They get mad at stuff that they're willing to flip over other side just to get back at them or something.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 4 points 4 days ago

I don't like the woke movement either, but I like the "Race war now!" movement far, FAR, FAR LESS...

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Well, White Supremacy is also the politics of identy, i.e. Identity Politics.

The Racism is the seeing of other human beings as defined above all by the genetics they were born with (i.e. race, gender, sexual orientation), the religious affiliation they got from their parents or the geographical location they were born in and then presuming things about them based on that (which is quite literally Prejudice), it's not in which specific race/gender/sexual-orientation/religion/nationality you see as good/victims or bad/oppressors.

One is not any less Racist when, for example, the race whose people one presumes are "good people" is not White - the Racism is the making presumptions about people based on their race, so the specific races such a prejudiced person thinks are "good" or "bad" are entirelly relevant in determining if the one making presumptions is a Racist or not.

Ultimatelly, all such "identity" groups have good people and bad people, and when they're in a situation with power and no accountability, bad people do bad things independently of their "identity".

This Racism of the modern self-identified Identity Politics practicioners was made painfully obvious by how the Liberals in places like the US and Germany reacted to the Israeli Genocide in Gaza - for years they've been prejudiced about people based on their ethnicity whilst passing that shit as anti-racism because their list of "good ethnicities" and "bad ethnicities" was different from that of the traditional racists, and one of the "good ethnicities" in their worldview was Jews and when it turned out that the self-proclaimed representatives of all Jews - Israel - was led by some trully horrible people who were mass murdering people based on their ethnicity, out came the Liberals in its defense because of the ethnicity it claimed to represent (and often being very overt about how it was all due to ethnicity, such as how Scholz in Germany and Biden in the US very overtly stating their "unwavering support for the Jewish Nation"), and further making their prejudices and racism obvious with the ultra-racist claim that Israel represented the Jewish Religion even when many Jews said it did not, and the even more extreme racist accusations of anti-semitism against those demonstrating against the Israeli Genocide (imagine how extremelly racist you have to be to claim that being against Genocide is being against the Jewish Religion, which logically is the same as saying Genocide is a Jewish thing). These self-proclaimed anti-racists didn't drop their support for Israel as anybody driven by principles would have done based on their actions, they doubled down on it and did it very overtly based solely on the ethnicity that country claims to represent, exactly like all the other Racists act.

This shit is no less Racists than supporting the government of Appartheid South Africa because of them being though of as White.

Anyways, the fairest and real Leftie take on unfairness and suffering is to correct the unfairness and suffering and go at it by descending order of intensity (i.e. start by going after the biggest ones), quite independently of the genetics the victims and perpetrators were born with or the "reasons" why some assholes - the tradition racists - go around inflicting pain on others: the action is that is wrong and must be punished and the hurt and harm to the victimed corrected and grabing the "logic" of the aggressor and twisting it around keeps the agressor's way of thinking alive and hence the unfairness of treatment, and just moves the unfairness around rather than stop it.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

There was a lot to unpack in what you said. A shit ton of you being upset over the situation in Israel and a lot of you trying to shift the blame.

I find it strange you attack the only people who would agree with you stances. Everyone I know who claims to be liberal is bewildered at what Israel has done. The conservatives I know approve of Isreal's right to defend themselves at any cost.

Also that last bit about the oppressed becoming the oppressor is interesting especially when you see what happened in South Africa and Israel. The answer is of course to recognize and stop the cycle but it does often feel like a pendulum.

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[-] Kalysta@lemm.ee 4 points 4 days ago

Like he wasn’t voting libertarian before.

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