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[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 166 points 2 months ago

Wow, he's the guy in the Matt Bors comic:

[-] jballs@sh.itjust.works 64 points 2 months ago

I had an argument with my neighbor a few months ago. He was dead serious that it's the Democrats' fault for making young men Nazis. His arguments were basically exactly what this comic is saying. If you tell someone that hating minorities is wrong, that just makes them hate even harder.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If you tell someone that X is wrong, that just makes them X harder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactance_(psychology)

The use of more concrete, low-controlling language, and the restoration of freedom through the inclusion of a choice-emphasizing postscript, may offer the best solution to reducing ambiguity and reactance

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[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

There's lot of these chuds on reddit nowadays

[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 months ago

This is actually a very interesting psychological phenomenon. I'm no psychologist, but stretching what I learned from "how to win friends and influence people" to the extreme, directly opposing someone's viewpoint generally forces them to defend it. By defending it, they rationalize the reasons why they adhere to the idea, and thus end up convincing themselves of their belief.

Your opposition literally only serves to force them to rationalize their belief, and deepen their belief in that thing.

It's fascinating, but stupid. In my experience, the most intelligent people I've ever spoken to will always take opposition seriously, even if with a grain of salt. When struck with an opposing viewpoint, they usually inquire about it, asking the speaker to justify their position so they can understand why they came to this conclusion. The mildly intelligent will then use that justification to tear down the person's belief in that system. The highly intelligent will then ask questions that cause the speaker to question their own beliefs.

But doing nothing more than asking specific and pointed questions about someone's beliefs, I have seen very intelligent and clever people, get others to convince themselves that they're wrong in what they believe.

Long story short, your neighbor isn't wrong, but they're also not exactly correct. The character of a person, IMO, is not in what they believe in, but how they react to adversity. Whether that adversity is political, intellectual, physical, or emotional; how you deal with difficulty is the content of your character.

If making people of color, LGBTQIA+ people, and women, equal, by granting them the same rights and freedoms as everyone else (including bodily autonomy, and the ability to live, vote, and marry who they wish), causes you to start to lean towards fascism, what do you think that says about your character?

[-] Neon@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

You're not understanding it vor even trying to take it serious. No wonder voters are running ax from you.

If you constantly tell someone they are at fault for something because they are of a certain race, if you constantly deny them any of their achievements and say is because of privilege, if you constantly chastize them, don't take them serious and ridicule them when they talk about their problems, they aren't going to feel represented by and vote for you.

Voting for Trump isn't a rational decision, it's a emotional one.

You need to Figuren out where you went wrong so the elections became emotional instead oft rational.

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[-] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 114 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I don't believe it's your first time tim

[-] cybervseas@lemmy.world 70 points 2 months ago

Might be his first time voting

[-] EmptySlime 36 points 2 months ago

More likely the "president, congress, and senate" that's doing the heavy lifting here IMO. If I had to put money on it I'd probably guess it was usually like straight R and then like he'd vote for Joe Manchin and be like "see I voted for both Republicans and Democrats"

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[-] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 70 points 2 months ago

Hey that's newsdude Cody Johnston!

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago
[-] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

I hear AG1 is where he gets all his news powers

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

As long as it helps him to fight off the boar menace. Damn teleporting hogs.

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[-] billiam0202@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago

I bet Warmbo made him post on Twitter.

[-] mp3@lemmy.ca 65 points 2 months ago

Aka I got paid by a foreign actor under the table to push my audience further to the right.

[-] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 64 points 2 months ago

I googled it so you don't have to.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The 3 or 4 times I've heard someone use that word here on Lemmy to describe what they don't like, they've been pretty up front that it's about identity politics. IE they hate that trans people want to identify as a gender other than the one they were born with.

So this is making it look like they're just putting "identity" into a bigger word and making it sound fancier.

[-] BigDiction@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

That definition appears inconsistent with how that word was used in the tweet. What is the leftist version?

[-] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago

Trying to find ideological consistency in this one might be a fool's errand, I'm sorry to say.

[-] Karjalan@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Pim tool is not what you would call a "smart" or "consistent" person... I'm fact, person may not even be the best descriptor for them.

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[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 months ago

It's identity politics, but smart-sounding!

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

There isn't one.

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[-] Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 31 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

What's under the hat, Tim?

Take it off, you bald, insecure bitch. I did.

[-] mp3@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago

As soon as I lose my hair I'll embrace the shit out of it.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

Once I started noticing my hair was thinning, I was like, "fuck it. I'll just shave it all off." I did that for a while, but it appears I'm still able to grow out a decent Jew fro.

Current level: Art Garfunkel.

I was like Albert Einstein x 2 in high school, so I'm curious to see how far this will go.

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago

Dude has no idea what he's saying and is just throwing labels around to sound smart. Hilariously, he might be outing himself as a racist too.

[-] NeilBru@lemmy.world 26 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The supposedly "PC" left is full of fucking obnoxious and annoying brats who don't know anything about morality, anthropology, history, political theory, and basic statistics. They demonize white men en masse incessantly and condescend to any who challenge their half-baked fan-fictions or propose some sort of nuance to their premises. Many of them base their entire personalities on their mental illnesses and grievances.

But I still voted for Harris because, fundamentally, that's better odds of survival for the environment, unions, women's autonomy, protections for whistleblowers, antitrust measures, counters to Russian and CCP aggression, and basically everything else that actually matters to the survival of the species and our federal republic. IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A GRADUATE DEGREE TO FIGURE THAT OUT, TIMMY, YOU BALD CUCK.

Adults don't abandon their principles because of some dumbasses "on their side". And by the way, Harris was a dogshit corporatist establishment candidate that I'd NEVER vote for if given different circumstances.

[-] Timmy_Jizz_Tits@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

Man, I remember a video I saw like 7 years ago. Two black college students were reading the riot act to a white kid for having dreadlocks. Like, I get it, but pick your battles. That is not your enemy. The left needs to recognize when they're overreacting because it just gives the right ammo for their nonsense gun. Because the voters the dems are losing, who barely pay attention, will have stronger reactions to trash like this than they have to nuanced defenses of bidens record in the post pandemic economy.

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[-] Artyom@lemm.ee 23 points 2 months ago

By the numbers, no one changes sides this election. The reason Kamala lost is about 10 million democrats just decided the presidential election isn't worth the voting line.

[-] chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago

Ya know, I think a lot of people miss the point on this. There are some real biggots that hate trans and yadda yadda, but the majority of joe everyman voter is really saying "im struggling to pay my bills and all you care about is peoples genders, and people who arent even american". Is it true? No. But politics for most people is about feeling and emotion. There is no logic talk that will change that. You have to meet simple people at their level; you cant force them to reach your level and understand all the nuance. They are not capable.

Its imperitive that the left stop falling back on this rhetoric, over the economic issues that the majority of voters care about. And dont say "well this policy and that policy and.." They dont understand any of that. They need to hear that they come first.

[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago

“I put a fascist in power because mcdonals tripled the price on a quarter pounder combo”

-Typical 3x trump voter-

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

The thing is, the left ain’t doing shit for trans people. Kamala never said she’d do shit for our rights.

Conservatives are the ones who make this about trans people. I transitioned more than ten years ago - no one gave a rats ass in 2014.

[-] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 13 points 2 months ago

I just disagree with most of this. We should never stop talking about the social issues. A lot of really outspoken Trump etc folks are out to distort and transform our country in oppressive ways, with no regard to economics. We must fight that.

[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 20 points 2 months ago

Watch the recent video of sam seder (Majority Report) going on tim pool's podcast, he shits on tim pool so bad, tim pool is a pathetic, hateful loser.

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[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

I bet dim tool the Russian fool says that every four years

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[-] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 13 points 2 months ago

Tim Pool got his start being a shill against the Occupy Wall Street protestors in 2010 and 2011, like many of the fascists we all know and hate, such as Stephen Crowder. The idea that he has voted democrat until now is such a joke it is practically an anti-joke.

[-] prime_number_314159@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Guys (et al), please don't make fun of the dim fool's name. It's rude and frankly immature.

Edited: spelling

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

I hope he walks into a speeding bus.

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[-] Hobo@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Tim Poole is so inconsistent with his own opinions that he regularly contradicts himself within the same thought. It's incredibly cringe inducing and wildly frustrating to even hate listen to his show. He also does some really blaringly racist cherry picking for topics and constantly pushes the "crime is out of control" narrative with only anecdotal evidence. I utterly hate his show and wish he would actually face some repercussions for his Russian payoff (he won't but I wish he would).

[-] Donkter@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Theres more than one clip (I think by Some More News) of him stopping mid-sentence while reading as he realizes the article completely debunks the point he's trying to make and passing it off like it still made his point.

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[-] curiouschipmunk@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

(before getting people triggered, I don't agree with the guy and did vote for Harris. Can't wait until the maga cult dies off.)

I mean, there are a small group of people on the left being racist/sexist in the open making every part of "white cis straight male" as pejorative as possible. Calling to even exterminate them on twitter. You know, the kind of people that don't want to end oppression but instead wants to switch roles. They want revenge, not peace. Of course foreign bots too, to sow discord. Right picks up that and amplifies it to seem the entire left thinks and acts like that. Worse yet, this small group tends to go and yell at regular, common sense people who agree on equality instead of going to yell at true racists/misogynists/homophobes because that'd be dangerous. A regular person walks in eggshells because saying something isn't sanctioned by these people can get you fired, since the companies don't want the PR disaster. Meanwhile, people in the middle of the country losing their jobs due to factories closing or not making enough to survive seeing people discussing bathrooms for minorities (it is important but let's not forget priorities). It's easy to see how that would push people to the other side, because frankly you don't have options. Of course Trump is another league, extremist, criminal (basically mocking criminal justice by dodging everything while committing crimes in the open), likely compromised by foreign countries, and endorsing the worst in the right. But hey, no choices. I'd love to see maga/republicans split in two parties and democrats and progressists in another 2. Give people more fine grained choices.

[-] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

small group of people on the left being racist/sexist in the open making every part of "white cis straight male" as pejorative as possible

One giant difference between the right and left here is that the right isn't a small group of racists/sexists. They ALL are. In no way is someone pushing them towards that ideology, they've already chosen it and are just making excuses.

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[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Well, White Supremacy is also the politics of identy, i.e. Identity Politics.

The Racism is the seeing of other human beings as defined above all by the genetics they were born with (i.e. race, gender, sexual orientation), the religious affiliation they got from their parents or the geographical location they were born in and then presuming things about them based on that (which is quite literally Prejudice), it's not in which specific race/gender/sexual-orientation/religion/nationality you see as good/victims or bad/oppressors.

One is not any less Racist when, for example, the race whose people one presumes are "good people" is not White - the Racism is the making presumptions about people based on their race, so the specific races such a prejudiced person thinks are "good" or "bad" are entirelly relevant in determining if the one making presumptions is a Racist or not.

Ultimatelly, all such "identity" groups have good people and bad people, and when they're in a situation with power and no accountability, bad people do bad things independently of their "identity".

This Racism of the modern self-identified Identity Politics practicioners was made painfully obvious by how the Liberals in places like the US and Germany reacted to the Israeli Genocide in Gaza - for years they've been prejudiced about people based on their ethnicity whilst passing that shit as anti-racism because their list of "good ethnicities" and "bad ethnicities" was different from that of the traditional racists, and one of the "good ethnicities" in their worldview was Jews and when it turned out that the self-proclaimed representatives of all Jews - Israel - was led by some trully horrible people who were mass murdering people based on their ethnicity, out came the Liberals in its defense because of the ethnicity it claimed to represent (and often being very overt about how it was all due to ethnicity, such as how Scholz in Germany and Biden in the US very overtly stating their "unwavering support for the Jewish Nation"), and further making their prejudices and racism obvious with the ultra-racist claim that Israel represented the Jewish Religion even when many Jews said it did not, and the even more extreme racist accusations of anti-semitism against those demonstrating against the Israeli Genocide (imagine how extremelly racist you have to be to claim that being against Genocide is being against the Jewish Religion, which logically is the same as saying Genocide is a Jewish thing). These self-proclaimed anti-racists didn't drop their support for Israel as anybody driven by principles would have done based on their actions, they doubled down on it and did it very overtly based solely on the ethnicity that country claims to represent, exactly like all the other Racists act.

This shit is no less Racists than supporting the government of Appartheid South Africa because of them being though of as White.

Anyways, the fairest and real Leftie take on unfairness and suffering is to correct the unfairness and suffering and go at it by descending order of intensity (i.e. start by going after the biggest ones), quite independently of the genetics the victims and perpetrators were born with or the "reasons" why some assholes - the tradition racists - go around inflicting pain on others: the action is that is wrong and must be punished and the hurt and harm to the victimed corrected and grabing the "logic" of the aggressor and twisting it around keeps the agressor's way of thinking alive and hence the unfairness of treatment, and just moves the unfairness around rather than stop it.

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[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Go back to your abandoned skatepark, Toolie.

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