The beatings will continue until morale improves

Exactly.

Harris was dead last on my preferred candidate list in 2020, and it had nothing to do with her gender and everything to do with how little I trusted her due to her background as a cop. And she got hammered in the primaries that year, so I'm certainly not alone. I didn't like her performance as VP (she had a pretty poor public opinion score up until she became the candidate for Pres), and she certainly didn't convince me that she had any interesting policies this time around.

Likewise for Hillary Clinton. She was dead last on my preferred candidate list long before she won the nomination, and she didn't get any better after winning.

In both 2016 and 2024, I voted for a third party because neither major candidate interested me (and it didn't matter because Trump won my state by ~20% in each election anyway). I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people who would have voted Democrat didn't bother voting or voted for a third party because they found her uninteresting. Her policies suck, her campaign sucked, and she has pretty much no charisma. It has nothing to do with her being a woman and everything to do with her being a crappy candidate.

So my vote is on a mixture of:

• no real primary, just a candidate switch (feels very undemocratic)
• poor, vague policies, especially on the issues people seem to care about most (inflation)
• very little charisma
• weird obsession with getting celeb endorsements instead of appealing to the average person

Being female doesn't register at all.

It would be foolish to say that gender wasn't a factor, but I don't think it was the deciding factor.

Apparently the gop doesn't need a policy to win. Harris lost to someone who just promised vague amounts of success without literally a single concrete plan in place. Maybe the dems just need to treat the voters like they're the dumbest fucking people on the planet and promise everything will turn to rainbows and unicorn shit with nothing to back it up.

Legalize weed, provide universal health care, give a job with a million dollar salary to every single citizen, create high speed rail across the entire country, fix the ecosystem, stop every war on earth, approve an annual day where you can legally slap your boss, etc etc. Then if asked for specifics just say they have concepts of a plan.

Why should dems bother doing anything concrete? Seems like the country is dumb enough to vote for anyone who tells people what they want to hear.

I don't think Hillary Clinton was rejected primarily because she was a woman but primarily because she was about as establishment as it gets in an election that was shaping up early on as an anti-establishment election.

Honestly, I’m about to get downvoted and I don’t mean to be offensive but I’m going to say how I feel.

I’m sorry men are having a hard time, but I don’t care. Men have been on top of the world for all of history and now they are upset because they have to share.

Everyone else has been having a hard time for much longer and if men are having a bad time right now, I guarantee everyone else is suffering a lot more.

And factually, they don’t need male voters to win. Female voters have outnumbered men since 1964 which should tell you something. Women are willing to vote for men, but men can’t be fucking bothered to support women. I’m done walking on eggshells around male egos because men can’t handle their emotions.

Note: I’m aware not every man or woman is like this. I’m generalizing to make a point. There are a lot of great men in my life who don’t feel emasculated when women ask to be respected. And, there are plenty of women that are hurtful to each other.

The dismissal and condescension towards Arab-Americans who were upset over Gaza was fucking insane. That isn't going to be forgotten.

But it’s not so straightforward when your vote is support for something you can’t stomach. Can you understand how that is difficult for people?

No, I honestly can't understand that. That whole mindset that doing nothing is somehow more in line with your morals than doing something even though both can have equally bad outcomes is incredibly bizarre to me and reminds me of stupid moral exercises like the trolley problem.

Once they decided to skip the primary and started getting contributions to a Biden/Harris campaign, it became virtually impossible to select anyone else once Biden dropped out. Only a Harris campaign could take over the money already raised for the campaign. Any other candidate would have to start fundraising a few months before the election starting from nothing, and would have been at a massive disadvantage.

voted my conscience by picking a third party instead of picking either unqualified candidates

Are you implying there was a qualified third party candidate? Is this an oxymoron?

I resent the idea that people need to be dazzled and appealed to in order to not sell the country out. Absolutely no integrity. No intelligence.

Hence why I called all of you stimulus eater organisms. Paramecium. Fucking amoebas.

there is no way I can vote for her because of what her standing is with rights are".

What does this mean? Do your friends actually talk like that?

Progressives have never done the same for the DNC, they’ve just let it continue being the same old shitty party for two decades. Every time they drift further rightward, people complain, and then forget.

I disagree on that part. Everyone is just fucking tired trying to save the country from our fellow dummies. We are just trying to survive and have no idea of what to do.

Maybe it's the fact that America's national character is to lust for domination and revenge. Compassion cannot win because America despises it.

What action do you think we should do? Real talk. The government has been taken over a long time ago by anti-democracy peeps, how do we get it back?