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Trump winning supports the genocide of every LGBTQ+ person in all of North America, be it directly or indirectly. No one wants what is happening in Gaza. But, I have to say the potential genocide (in the sense of complete erasure of culture as well as open murders with little to no consequences sense) here is even higher.

I have the unfortunate circumstance of being a trans woman in GA. I already have had to completely shut off most contact with people, both work and personal.

I’ve already had rocks thrown at me in an attempt to kill me (this was years ago, even). I already feel like I have to carry a gun. If things go the way they seem, I will even have to order in groceries because it will further empower the people that hate my existence.

The foreign policy is shit, no question. However, I don’t like the possibility of being raped and murdered by some asshole that thinks he understands Co² emissions after watching some video.

I have a lot to say here, especially as a very blue collar machinist. I will refrain, though.

In conclusion: by “avoiding” the genocide in Gaza (which would have in my opinion had a much higher chance of being resolved with Democratic policies), you have also doomed people like me to maybe live in fear for the rest of our lives.

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[-] grue@lemmy.world 88 points 1 month ago

I hate to downvote a Star Trek meme, but that top half is inaccurate. America voted for a genocide of American LGBTQ and Gaza. Both.

We "avoided" precisely fuck-all and everyone who claimed otherwise is a blatant goddamn liar.

[-] jawa21@startrek.website 32 points 1 month ago

You're not wrong. Yeah, I could have done better, but I'm in a self induced drunken rage.

[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 12 points 1 month ago

Understandable. I feel sorry for you guys.

[-] Bassman1805@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

It's directed at people who absolutely cannot vote for Harris due to her stance on Gaza. Instead, they enabled a war on their LGBTQ neighbors.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago

But that's my point, though: they didn't do that "instead." They did that in addition to!

Fucking lying, bloodthirsty, fascist clowns, all of them.

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[-] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 81 points 1 month ago

I hope for the best for your safety, sanity, and well being. Fuck this "interesting times" nonsense.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 31 points 1 month ago

There's a reason people's are cursed "to live in interesting times."

[-] medsal15 29 points 1 month ago
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[-] jawa21@startrek.website 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I have to reply here because SDF was down for a while and federation is still catching up. I want yout to know, though, you've kept me laughing and that has helped me a lot, so thanks for that.

[-] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Thank you for doing the same.

The laughter is the release and therapy we'll be needing going forward.

[-] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 66 points 1 month ago

Trump winning supports the genocide of every LGBTQ+ person in all of North America, be it directly or indirectly.

Trump winning also supports the genocide in Gaza.

[-] jawa21@lemmy.sdf.org 26 points 1 month ago

This is very true. I wanted to address the idea that not a single outlet has touched on, though.

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[-] Vlyn@lemmy.zip 56 points 1 month ago

Trump literally said Israel should finish the job. You're getting both genocides and probably a few on top!

[-] daddy32@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

Ukrainians in Ukraine too. And immigrants in US. Interesting times.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

A genocide of brown people too. And not just the ones in the U.S. illegally. Anyone who is brown and happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time either without ID or with an ID that a cop thinks is fake or stolen is going to be sent to a camp. That's not even a "potential" thing. Trump has promised to deport millions of people. There is no way they can do that without accidentally deporting plenty of citizens and putting them in concentration camps first while they work out extradition deals.

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[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 53 points 1 month ago

In conclusion: by “avoiding” the genocide in Gaza (which would have in my opinion had a much higher chance of being resolved with Democratic policies), you have also doomed people like me to maybe live in fear for the rest of our lives.

Doesn't matter. They get to LARP with their purity politics. The lives of American minorities don't matter to them.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

I've taken to calling them out as exactly what they are: virtue signallers. Like you said, they're just larping about caring about these people, and boy do they get salty when they have to deny it.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 48 points 1 month ago

The number of people who essentially told me that my kid's life didn't matter because of Gaza before this election was just disgusting.

And they're going to stand there as queer people are marched into conversion camps and say it was your fault.

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[-] nzeayn@lemmy.world 44 points 1 month ago

the neat part is now we get both genocides.

[-] Klear@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

He had one genocide, yes. But what about the second (and third) genocide?

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[-] SonOfMothman@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago

Oh trump is going to help flatten Gaza with such a raging boner. Everyone that voted “uncommitted” has the blood on their hands they blamed others. Fucking repugnant

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[-] Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I told this to one of the tankies over in leftymemes, got called a genocide apologist and banned. Funny thing is, one of their mods is trans. Not American, though, so it doesn't matter to her I guess. And let me tell you, that mod in particular, she was working hard to convince people not to vote for Harris. Didn't have much to say about Trump, though... pretty interesting.

[-] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

Asking a tankie what the best path forward is for the US is like a black man asking a Klansman for career advice. They want to see us burn, not be better.

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[-] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago

Bottom panel should be "Genocide in Gaza AND..."

[-] Seasm0ke@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago

Its always amazing to me.the lengths someone will go to to avoid blaming their party or candidate for a loss. The blame is not even directed to the millions of people who actively voted for the fascist, but to the political minority with the least impact on the result.

Lets face facts. The DNCs strategy to move to the right and court the mythical moderate Republican failed again. Their strategy to fund extremist Republican candidates in local races was another bet on the goodwill of the GOP voters and look they lost the Senate. They failed you.

They failed the country. They had a huge hand in creating the trump mess for their own assumed gain and yet, none of the average libs will acknowledge it. They took the votes of independents and leftists for granted and decided Liz Cheney and AIPAC would bring them victory and they failed again. Face it.

[-] ElCanut@jlai.lu 23 points 1 month ago

"no one wants what is happening in gaza, but the potential genocide in north America is even higher"

Have you tried opening a newspaper recently? What is happening in Palestine is worse than anything else happening in the world; to say that your potential event could be worse than that is a tremendous display of ignorance and insensitivity.

[-] jawa21@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 1 month ago

I, obviously, disagree here. It's all horrible. However, I have every incentive to vote for my own well being. My point in that statement wasn't necessarily that it would be worse (I probably should have phrased things better, but I'm no writer), but I do think it could potentially be more impactful for the "West" in the sense that the US could, potentially, devolve into a state similar to Russia (or a large number of nation states) where anyone who is not straight or cisgendered will be persecuted to the point of erasure. And in my personal case, though I know this is anecdotal, potential murder.

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[-] neanderthal@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Trump will go along with whatever Israel wants to do. If Hamas was in power, I can all but guarantee they would be doing the same shit, if not worse.

ETA: I'm not advocating for what is going. I'm just rather pissed that so many people keep doing the counterproductive thing of using this as a reason to vote trump or sit this out. Considering that Trump is worse in this regard and with global warming, humanities only chance is to ramp up efforts like the US is a lost cause, because for the next 2 years at least, we are.

[-] ElCanut@jlai.lu 10 points 1 month ago

Where have you seen that I'm advocating for Trump? I'm not even American! Every time I see someone criticizing the role of the US government in the Palestinian massacre, somebody come and says "yes but Trump". I know trump is worse, can I still criticize the current US government or do I have to wait for the campaign to be over?

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[-] littlecolt@lemm.ee 23 points 1 month ago

Yeah where's all the fucking dipshits that were on here before yelling nonstop about Kamala not getting their vote because of the genocide in Gaza, hmm? I guess Russia doesn't need to employ them anymore.

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[-] socsa@piefed.social 19 points 1 month ago

All of these so called anti fascists sure do seem excited about a fascist being elected

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[-] sweetpotato@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I feel for your very unfortunate situation, but maybe you should've demanded more from your party, instead of putting the blame on people who draw the line at genocide. If the choice is between the number of genocides, maybe we should take a step back and reflect a little because this doesn't stop anywhere. Next time there will be two, three...

Republicans can go as fascist as they want, but if the Democrats are drugged in this race to the right, they will lose. They endorsed the wall, they did nothing about the immigrants and they 100% backed a genocide no questions asked, ever, what difference is an immigrant or Arab supposed to see from this?

No matter how much you accuse the people who didn't vote, the truth of the matter is that nothing will change if you don't demand from your party to stand for some values. For now, they follow Trump moving to the right.

[-] mjsaber 12 points 1 month ago

Our party? Democrats are no more my party than Republicans are. They are objectively the better option for someone like me given the alternative, but in no way do they represent me. They are just another element of the capitalist corporate hegemony, and I'm just a consumer to them.

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[-] Machinist@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

Jeebus. Trans machinist in Georgia? That's a hard row to hoe there, hun. I ran a shop during 2020 and about half my crew was black. The political insanity ripped it apart.

Born and raised in Alabama, we moved to a northern state this summer. You need to think hard about getting out. We are not registered as Dems, but instead independent. Probably going to remove face pics from fet. Don't fly a pride flag. Figure if you're white, you'll be okay for a while. Probably be a while before they come after LGTBQ. Maybe things get better, IDK.

Keep your head down and your powder dry.

Our family motto is: Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

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[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 month ago

I suppose it's not the best. But if things go really wrong. Every LGBT migrant is welcome in my country (Spain). We have some of the most advanced laws on LGBT protection on the planet.

And while we have our share of far right that wants ti abolish LGBT rights, it is unlikely they will succeed at this even if they reach power (please, don't let this afe like milk).

[-] fern@lemmy.autism.place 10 points 1 month ago

Nice do you take lgbt refugees or no like every other country

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[-] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 17 points 1 month ago

Now the crazies will be emboldened to assault more people.

[-] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 month ago

I feel really sad for Americans right now, especially anyone who needs/might need any procedure that could be construed as "abortion" (like the many reports of women who died because hospitals wouldn't take on the liability of terminating a clearly unviable fetus), and those in the LGBTQIA+ communities.

I feel the worst for those groups, though all of you have my sympathies.

As you might infer, I am not an American, and I am unable to vote in US elections. I am Canadian, and while I can't speak for all Canadians to invite you to come join us, I will say that, abortion is legal here. Every major city has a pride event every year. There's always protests to both, as you would expect (people exercising their rights to free speech), but there's no criminality in being LGBTQIA+ nor in getting an abortion.

Personally, anyone who wants to abandon this fight and flee to the north, I don't blame you, and if we ever meet, you will be accepted by me and the people I know for who you are.

Be safe, take care of yourself.

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[-] GrabtharsHammer@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Sure those are both bad. But now we get to take bets on which country sees the first mass casualty event due to unsurvivable wet bulb temps, and we can over-under the year the first US state gets a taste of boiling alive in their own juices.

[-] jawa21@startrek.website 16 points 1 month ago

Here in GA, we've gotten close. I had to quit the job I temporarily stopped working for myself for last year because of heat exhaustion. It's bad. I fainted in 110° F temps with 89% humidity. Trump will make thus worse.

[-] NoLifeGaming@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

One is occupied, in an open air prison, being bombed, no food, no water and no one to aid them. The other may have some of their rights taken. Don't compare the two.

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[-] daniyeg@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago

this meme implies that lives of americans has more worth than lives of gazans. your rage is justified but outlawing essential healthcare for lgbtq+ is not the same as a hostile military force genociding and ethnically cleansing you. bad meme all around.

[-] Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 month ago

They don't care as long as it doesn't affect them. Did you ever see dem voters wish death to biden or obama. They are brain washed into thinking lesser evil is better. Evil is evil no matter what. Trump 4 years and then maybe dem another 4 years and the cycle repeats.

[-] Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yes, we all know that enabling TWO genocides is much better. That must be what you think, considering that's the direct result of your stance. The situation in Gaza was never going to change, but as for what COULD change, by fucking god, you sure made it change. It's thanks to virtue signalers like you that we now have foreign genocide with a side of domestic trans-hunting.

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