Ukraine, Palestine, Taiwan, anyone affected by climate change oh, and Americans. : politicalmemes

[-] CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net 101 points 9 months ago

God this sucks to watch from the other side of the world.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 72 points 9 months ago

It sucks from the inside, too. I feel so hopeless the middle of all this insanity.

I can't do this again.

[-] tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 9 months ago

I hope we'll be able to do this again. There are worse alternatives.

[-] Stez827@sh.itjust.works 8 points 9 months ago

How are there worse alternatives than having Hitler Cheeto edition as a president?

[-] sukhmel@programming.dev 4 points 9 months ago

Probably having this as a president forever.

[-] tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 9 months ago

Exactly. Let's hope we get to have another bad US election rather than this being the last one.

[-] Stez827@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 months ago

That's fair I agree

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

It’s going to suck here too, if that makes you feel any better.

[-] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 9 months ago

Trust me, it also sucks to watch from inside America. The sane people did everything we could.

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Except vote.

[-] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Not sure if I'd categorize these as sane...

[-] niktemadur@lemmy.world 100 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Because so many people in the United States have elected to stab themselves - and EVERYONE else along with them - with a rusty knife, out of ignorant rage and lazy ignorance.

[-] SassyRamen@lemmy.world 82 points 9 months ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

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[-] tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 9 months ago

South Korea gets nukes in 3, 2, 1...

[-] Ascend910@lemmy.ml 9 points 9 months ago

Don't they already got all the technology in place and all they need is time?

[-] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

I think so, iirc South Korea, Japan and a few european nations are considered functionally nuclear capable in that they have all the material, fascilities and scientific knowledge to assemble nukes in a very short timeframe should it become desirable.

[-] Resand@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Honestly at this point, in a 1 on 1 war between south and north, I'd wager on South. Will still suck super bad tho

[+] perestroika@lemm.ee 64 points 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

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[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

One big difference between Hungary and the US are guns. It'll either can lead to a revolution much easier than in Hungary, or a Krystalnacht that is followed by the return of KKK-style lynchings.

For Ukraine, peace is not a real option. They can choose between war and being oppressed by Putin. And now, how they want to go out in history: in a war with glory, or under Putin's boot who tells them: "no, you're Russians, speak Russian". I refuse to call "ethnic cleansing" peace. At best, it's just the illlusion of such, because tanks are not crossing state borders.

Fascists like Trump choose their henchman based on loyalty, not skills. He will just get a lot of badly trained soldiers as basically meat shields.

[-] margaritox@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

Not only that, but “peace“ deal with Putin will only benefit Putin, as it will give him time to regroup and improve his strategy, while the military aid to Ukraine stops. Then he’ll say: “oh shit! Ukraine is attacking us again! They broke the peace deal” and continue the invasion.

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[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

For the EV part of the upcoming climate catastrophe …. If he’s successful at stopping growth of EVs, the biggest impact might just be the destruction of the Detroit based automakers. If they can’t compete in the rest of the world due to no EVs, there’s only so long they can stay in business selling coal rolling trucks to yahoo Americans

[-] pepperonisalami@sh.itjust.works 56 points 9 months ago

I live in Taiwan....good luck for all of us

[+] perestroika@lemm.ee 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

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[-] needanke@feddit.org 2 points 9 months ago

France and the UK still have nuklear weapons, I would think the rest of the millitary would be more of a problem.

I would suspect both sides would not use nuklear weapons unless they get really desperate. So what is currently deturring Putin from attacking eastern europe is the thread of the reagular US millitary just kicking his ass and having no chance of gaining any land. But if it was just nato without the US he might gamble on them not using their nukes if he just takes, say northern Finnland, which he might think is feasable without US-troops.

[-] freebee@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago

Of all possible next targets he could choose, Finland , Norway or Sweden would be the dumbest ever. These countries are prepared, always have been. It would be fucking hard, even without NATO. The next targets would more likely be other not well affiliated countries like Moldova, Georgia. Then Baltics.

[-] RandomVideos@programming.dev 2 points 9 months ago

Do you live in a country that is part of the EU?

If one member of the EU is attacked, the others will have to defend the country

[-] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

This may be misremembering, but I thought I once heard of some people in Taiwan (a small, but vocal, number) liked Trump because of his "China Bad" rhetoric.

It's not quite as spicy from my side of the world (Australia), but I really do not like the idea of our closest military ally being controlled by a fascist.

Just seems like risky business, ya know?

[-] eunieisthebus@feddit.org 5 points 9 months ago

I think Taiwan will be fine... for now. Trump is so Anti-China I doubt the US will drop its support. Eastern Europe however is basically fucked now

[-] nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 10 points 9 months ago

Trump is also easily bought.

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[-] Freefall@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

He SAYS he is anti-china...there is a difference.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 47 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The most annoying thing over the next few years is going to be listening to:

"What happened to my helthcare?" "You voted for Trump who promised to take it away. " "But I didn't think it would effect me!"

"Why are the prices of groceries so high?" "You voted for Trump who promised to deport all the illegal farm workers who picked your food for low wages." "But I didn't think it would effect me!"

"Why did my daughter/wife/girlfriend/mother die in a hospital parking lot?" "You voted for Trump who promised to make life saving healthcare for women illegal nation wide." "But I didn't think it would effect me!"

"What happened to the minimum wage?" "You voted for Trump who promised to lower it." "But I didn't think it would effect me!"

"What happened to the Palestinians?" "You voted for Trump/voted for a third party candidate which allowed Trump to rise to power then he gave Netanyahu the go ahead to wipe them out." "But I didn't think that would happen to my family!"

Suck it up. This is your bed. You shat it in. Now lie there and be quiet. We're tired of your bullshit.

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 12 points 9 months ago

"Why did graphics cards quadruple in price?"

"You voted for Trump, who supported China steamrolling Taiwan, and now all of TSMCs foundries are bricked."

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

I wonder if it's the US or Taiwan that donates the thermite grenades on the machines? If it's the US Trump might just order them not to donate them as a gift to Xi.

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[-] sukhmel@programming.dev 8 points 9 months ago

!leopardsatemyface@lemmy.world was revived at just the right moment

Unfortunately

[-] Funkwonker 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Honestly, I think it'll be worth drilling the fact that it's the Republican Party, not just Trump. Otherwise, folks deep in the cult will just use the current figurehead as a scapegoat for everything wrong with the party without acknowledging that the party itself works against them.

They probably will, anyway, but it's worth a shot.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

This was a well executed decades long plan by the christofascists to turn the United States into a christofascist theocratic autocracy using the Republican party at a framework and vehicle and leveraging the fear, hatred, and ignorance of the heartland to do it. The only way to come back from this is to abandon any attempts to court the right and center and to design and execute a plan to take the country back from the fascists and oligarchs, to fix the courts, to fix the elections, to fix public educating and healthcare, to redistribute wealth, and to give the country back to the people, not just the rich, white, Christian, male people.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The frustrating thing is that the red center of the country just voted itself into slavery. Trump has said that he's going to reduce the minimum wage. Project 2025 will destroy the education department, the ACA will be dismantled, social security will be eliminated, workers rights are going away. You will work for slave wages with no protections, no benefits, and no pension then you will fuck off and die when they've used you up.

Congratulations! Your fear, hated, and hunger for vengeance on those you resent was used to manipulate you into the biggest self-own in human history.

[-] VantaBrandon@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

Anyone darker than this in America --> ✋🏼

[-] tyo_ukko@sopuli.xyz 17 points 9 months ago

If it is of any solace, the global oligarchs will be safe and well through all that is about to unfold.

[-] riodoro1@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Do you guys seriously believe everything would be fine if he didn’t win?

The world was as fucked yesterday as it is today. You just didn’t see it on the news. Does it matter if the civilization ends a week earlier?

[-] 5715@feddit.org 38 points 9 months ago

Does it matter if the civilization ends a week earlier?

Yes.

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 28 points 9 months ago

Could you be less of an accelerationist trope?

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

We fear it will be a decade or more earlier. We fear the difference between my children having a habitable environment and my children having to deal with ever increasing climate disasters. We fear losing human rights, consumer protection, any semblance of a safety net. We fear increasing polarity in what is already an untenable situation. We fear descending into chaos and tyranny, and taking parts of the world with us.

[-] Zink@programming.dev 4 points 9 months ago

Do you guys seriously believe everything would be fine if he didn’t win?

Of course not, and nobody is saying that. But it would be better. Harm reduction is good even though we can’t actually ever fix the world.

Does it matter if the civilization ends a week earlier?

Um, yes? It’s safe to say that both you and I will die some day. I’d rather that be in 100 years versus tomorrow.

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[-] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago

Palestinians were very much already in danger. Both sides in america are so tied to Israel that biden refused to stand up to bibi even while he was openly campaigning for trump

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

It's the difference between being in a burning building and being the same burning building while people throwing Molotov cocktails through the windows.

Both are dangerous but one is worse.

[-] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

In this case if you pick just the burning building then the group keeping you in that building are saying "we can't let you out of there but you better support us or the guys with the molotovs will show up"

I understand that logically you'd pick option A but would you have enthusiastic support for the people keeping you trapped in the building?

Candidates have to get people motivated to vote and "we won't do better but the other guy will do worse" is not motivating enough. We saw how that plays out yesterday

[-] rsuri@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Simple reality is there's twice as many Jewish voters than muslim voters, and Jewish voters are more likely to vote Democrat. So ironically the best thing Biden could've done for Palestine was to not piss off the Israel crowd and cause Trump's election.

But maybe he'll stand up now that the election is over. Time to cut off the weapons. Long time coming. Make Trump reinstate weapons for Israel and see how that goes for him. You Palestine people need to push 10x as hard now as you did before the election. Something tells me you won't.

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