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The controversy is over a two-page document that was handed out to classrooms at Kapolei Middle School.

It broke down where the U.S. presidential candidates — Democratic Vice President Kamala Harris and Republican former President Donald Trump — stand on the issues.

The state Department of Education confirms the document was put together by a group of teachers at the school who simplified the information in a candidate comparison article in the New York Times.

The material given out to students lists six issues.

CRIME

Harris: “Gives money to police”
Trump: “Sends soldiers to cities”

DEMOCRACY

Harris: “Wants to keep our country a democracy”
Trump: “Tried to overturn the 2020 election

IMMIGRATION

Harris: “Hires more people to watch the border”
Harris: “Limits how many people can move to the U.S.
Trump: “Finds and catches people in the U.S. illegally”
Trump: “Takes children away from their parents”
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[-] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 121 points 2 months ago

Not a single Trumper can explain why this was unfair because their homie likes to grab pussy and fucks underage girls with Epstein.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 47 points 2 months ago

And actually said/did all these things listed.

"The MeDyA Is UnFaIr!!1!"

For just stating how your favorite little guy is?

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 76 points 2 months ago

Seems remarkably honest, much more honest than our presidential candidates.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 72 points 2 months ago

I like how when you put the two candidates into 8th grade level language, the differences become so stark. There really isn't room for additional interpretation.

Also, I'm not surprised its Kapolei parents getting outraged at this, things get fairly red once you get out of Honolulu and especially as you get onto the West Side. You'll see a Trump flag being towed along side a Kanaka Maoli flag, a back the blue flag, AND a Hawaiian kingdom flag. I'm glad to see the DOE not budging on this.

[-] lunarul@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

I've been in Honolulu this past week and saw loud Trump supporter caravans going through the city twice, loud group of Trump supporters in front of the state capitol, and another one I don't remember where. Not sure what they're trying to achieve with all this.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Almost guarantee they are Westside.

[-] YarrMatey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago

Got a chuckle seeing this clown running for office. Not surprised though, a lot of people here are insane.

https://ballotpedia.org/Shelby_Billionaire

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

He got my vote.

[-] tiefling 66 points 2 months ago

These are literally all factual. If they don't want to look bad on paper maybe they shouldn't be fascists.

[-] DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world 38 points 2 months ago

The truth doesn't reflect well on Trump. That's the fucking point! Instead they bitch that it was unfair. How can they be so fucking stupid to miss the entire point!

[-] magnetosphere@fedia.io 36 points 2 months ago

Yeah, the truth about Trump is pretty ugly when you don’t bury it beneath talking points, or obscure it with incoherent rants. “Biodegradable cattle byproduct” sounds okay, but it’s still bullshit.

[-] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

pretty ugly when you don’t bury it beneath talking points, or obscure it with incoherent rants

Or outright blatant, easily proven lies.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 34 points 2 months ago

Should they have included each candidate's stance on grabbing women by their privates?

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago

So some parents whine because truth hurts, or what? Or is there a single item that is not easily verifyable?

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

They are phrasing it in a way that makes plausible deniability harder!

[-] medusa@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 months ago

"Wants to make it easier to guns"

I think you a word there

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

I wish it was easier to these guns

Flexes nonexistent biceps

[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

Aw, are the republicans upset that the children aren’t getting their propaganda? That’s so sad for them.

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

I love how even a biased take, trying to paint Harris much further left than she actually is, still went hard on Harris’ right-wing anti-immigration policies as if they were a good thing. LoL.

[-] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

When I was in the 8th grade I tried asking what the difference was. A friend of mine at the time, who was kinda smart albeit the son of a rich dentist, summed it up by saying "Democrats want to give money to the homeless while republicans want to create jobs for the homeless". It made sense at the time and held some truth for a decade or 2.

Whereas now it's "democrats try to get homeless people back on their feet, republicans make being homeless illegal"

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 5 points 2 months ago

I read the headline and thought the controversy was probably stupid. Then I read the comparisons.

They should have pulled out planks from the party platforms. At least write what the party says it is going to do in its own words. It's OK to simplify, but this list is heavily editorialized. I don't know how much of that was from the NYT article (editorial?) and how much was the teacher's take.

I think it would be fine to have these characterizations of each party's policies in Speech & Debate coming from the opponents.

[-] lunarul@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

It's a comparison between Harris and Trump, not between the parties.

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 1 points 2 months ago

In theory the candidate supports and has a heavy influence over the party platform.

[-] lunarul@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

So that's either true in practice, in which case there's no problem putting the candidates' views there, since they represent the party too; or it's false in practice, in which case the candidates' views should be there, because that's who you're voting for.

[-] AmidFuror@fedia.io 3 points 2 months ago

My point is they are putting up views they ascribe to the candidate. It would be better to quote a written or spoken statement.

I guess people can't figure this out without having it reversed so they can understand it. Imagine a school district in Idaho handing out a lesson to students where they characterized the candidates' positions thusly:

Abortion Trump: Opposed to baby-killing Harris: Allows baby-killing in most cases.

[-] lunarul@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

So you're saying that some of the answers are flat out lies like in your example?

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

At least write what the party says it is going to do

No, they should present what each party actually tries to do. No more lies.

[-] dzsimbo@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago

Are current politics something usually discussed in US middle schools? They're like what, 14? Or is there a separate civics class?

I'm pretty sure if a questionairre that fluffs Trump instead of Harris is passed out to children, people would be yelling fascism.

The problem is with spreading propaganda in school. There's just too much history and philosophy to cover to get a sense for modern policy, unless you have a special class for it maybe in high school.

[-] BigTrout75@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I need a copy of this!

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