They don't have a choice. It is this or being Russian slaves.
They don't have a choice. It is this or being Russian slaves.
Hey, thank you for your insightful comment!
Could you please expand on that and tell me more about people in Crimea and other liberated cities being Russian slaves?
Also while you are at it - could you please also explain to me how being unable to leave your country where you can be kidnapped on a street at any day and sent to die is not considered slavery / is better than "being Russian slave"? How did that happen that "Russian slaves" can move to Ukraine controlled territories at any time and supposedly stop being slaves, but those who are on Ukraine controlled territories cannot do the opposite (and yet for some reason you wouldn't consider them slaves)?
Even Ukrainians are now starting to understand what western backed regime is doing to them
lol forced.
The wording of these things. While technically correct, it’s a draft. Because you know, the thousand day invasion threatening their existence.
go sign up for the foreign legion turd
That’s literally what forced means. Are you an Israeli or something?
It’s the negative connotation of the wording that I was implying, not the meaning.
Are you American or something?
He is implying Ukrainians are not drafted Israel style. There is no 30 day prison vacation for refusing to obey. These people are thrown in the back of a van and transported to the battlefield to slightly extend what is already a lost war.
The west is not serious about supporting Ukraine to victory. That much should be obvious by now. Even the mainstream newspapers are saying Ukraine is not fighting to win now.
I’m not Israeli though. What is Israeli style. Israel is not being invaded.
Without sending troops, there isn’t much else the west can do beyond allowing deep strikes with their missiles which I agree should never have been an issue.
Again though, conscription via a draft while forced yes, is not the inference of the wording of the article. It’s trying to paint Ukraine in a bad light for having to do it vs Russia who have done worse for their manpower goals.
The argument is not "Russia good". Russia bad too.
The point is: any Ukrainian who is not ideologically driven to fight against Russia should not be forced to do so. Their deaths will not achieve anything meaningful.
This is a war of attrition. Ukraine has not received the military support required to win.
Hmm Ukraine can’t receive men so they have to use their own men. I don’t understand the argument
Ukraine can receive men. There are multiple volunteers from other countries fighting for Ukraine.
You too are allowed to go and fight for Ukraine. Are you willing to risk your own life, or admit that Ukrainian men are treated as disposable toys instead of humans?
Argument: War is almost lost. People are finite.
Far from lost.
Conscription is usually an ongoing event. A draft is a specific, often temporary, implementation of conscription.
Because you know, the thousand day invasion threatening their existence.
Whose existence?
Seriously, what kind of mental gymnastics one needs to do to consider this a valid argument..
Show me, how is the existence of people on liberated territories (like Crimea, Melitopol and so on) are threatened?
Or maybe those people are actually okay (well, at least relatively to those of us who are still stuck on Zelensky controlled territories...) and it's the lives of those whom Zelensky can still reach are threatened, because his regime can kidnap them at any moment and send to the meatgrinder?
What
Forced? Their fighting for their survival for fuck's sake.
They are forced. They fight against the Ukrainian Army for their survival, because being drafted means they will probably die at this point. If they could keep avoiding the army, they would probably survive until this madness ends.
You can have your side on this and think Ukraine is fighting for survival, but that's a point of view, an idea. Some facts are:
Are you contesting that it's "Forced"? It matches the textbook definition of the word
Yeah the conscription can be pretty violent
The only "fight for survival" is against Zelensky.
What a dire situation.
I wonder how we got here.
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