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submitted 9 months ago by ptz@dubvee.org to c/politics@lemmy.world

Cross-posted from "Arnold Schwarzenegger endorses Kamala Harris: ‘I will always be an American before I am a Republican’" by @Powderhorn@beehaw.org in !politics@beehaw.org


“I will always be an American before I am a Republican,” he wrote. “That’s why, this week, I am voting for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz. I’m sharing it with all of you because I think there are a lot of you who feel like I do. You don’t recognise our country. And you are right to be furious.”

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[-] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 317 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Let me be honest with you: I don’t like either party right now. My Republicans have forgotten the beauty of the free market, driven up deficits, and rejected election results. Democrats aren’t any better at dealing with deficits, and I worry about their local policies hurting our cities with increased crime.

Spoken like a true republican.

Democratic administrations are better with the economy than republican administrations in virtually every case for the last 75 years. Plus, don't forget that Clinton not only balanced the budget during his term, he left office with a projected budget surplus that Gee Dubya threw away with his tax cuts for the rich and unfunded wars.

As for crime, crime rates have been steadily dropping for decades and continued to drop under the Biden administration. In fact, violent crime rates are near a 50-year low!

[-] False@lemmy.world 195 points 9 months ago

Spoken like a true republican.

I'll take that over whatever MAGA is.

[-] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 123 points 9 months ago

MAGA is fascism, full stop. That’s not just my opinion – if you can read this list with honesty and not conclude they’re fascists, you’re lying to yourself:

  1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
  2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
  3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
  4. Supremacy of the Military
  5. Rampant Sexism
  6. Controlled Mass Media
  7. Obsession with National Security
  8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
  9. Corporate Power is Protected
  10. Labor Power is Suppressed
  11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
  12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
  13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
  14. Fraudulent Elections (or claims thereof)

It’s outright fascism. That is not hyperbole. And fascism is always a suicide cult. It destroys everything it touches, including itself.

[-] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

7. Obsession with National Security

I think they've quietly dropped this one, since they don't seem to mind Trump being owned by a Russian dictator, his son-in-law getting two billion dollars from the Saudis, or Trump stealing classified documents and casually leaving them lying around for foreign agents to help themselves to.

[-] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 19 points 9 months ago

Once he’s back in office, though, this will be one of their main foci again. They’ll go all in on Patriot Act II, barring all foreign entry on the grounds of national security. They basically say that now, just with different words. No more asylum seekers, no more immigrants (which will crash the economy, and they’ll somehow blame that on immigrants, too).

[-] P00ptart@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

They'll still sell our land to the Chinese.

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[-] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 39 points 9 months ago

MAGA is just another level of republican. Like in dragonball, MAGA is nearly the final form, but the final form is fascism.

[-] BassTurd@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

I disagree, but only because I equate MAGA and facism. They look exactly the same to me, MAGA just hasn't had the opportunity to exercise their fascist views in full.

[-] PrimeMinisterKeyes@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Excerpts from a short piece, called "Back to the Wall," by a famous writer; abridged:

The individual soul is under attack...
Ten years ago it may have been inconceivable that the great sweet "cassaba melon" as it was called of "American Century" prosperity was really a great psychic hoax a mirage of electronic mass-hypnosis...
The choice given - or CHOSEN? by us between an oldfashioned politician..., which is to say conservative, and an outright Authoritarian rightwinger? We never had a choice between middle and left, we were always stuck between middle and right. Finally it becomes too much to fight. But the stakes are too great to lose...
To live in a country which supposedly dominates the entire planet and to be responsible for the outrages of ones Own country! Woe to the Germans silent under Hitler woe to the Americans silent now.
Not a matter of Policy, rational discourse etc.
Things no longer merely out of proportion, things are UNREAL. Manipulating the unreal from centers of power - how can the soul endure?
Movie blather, news broadcast blather ... social blather of a totally maladjusted tribe engaged in struggle to retain power-dominance and control over an entire planet (nay an entire solar system!)

He also mentions a "synchronistic putch." The writer is called Allen Ginsberg and this piece was published 1966.
Which is to say, the Overton window has been shifting for a long time and Nazism has never been truly defeated, only forced to hibernate. And certainly not just in the US. At least that's my pessimistic conclusion at this point.

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[-] ptz@dubvee.org 112 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Spoken like a true republican.

That aside (I'm not arguing or disagreeing on that point): he is putting country over party which is something very, very few Republicans are capable of doing and even fewer are actually doing. On that alone, I can throw him some respect.

[-] classic@fedia.io 77 points 9 months ago

And he is speaking language that will make voting for Harris more palatable to at least some Republicans

[-] Signtist@lemm.ee 38 points 9 months ago

This is the biggest thing. If he were to actually tell the full truth here, he'd be less successful in getting his message across to the people who listen to him. Full truth is the ultimate goal, but we're so far from it that for half the country it's an impossibly huge leap to go from where they are now to the truth in one bound.

[-] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

This is a very good point. That line of my post above was a visceral reaction to the whole both-sides are the same argument he's using, but as you say, whatever it takes to get people to feel okay about vote=ing for Harris is worth it.

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[-] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago

At least he's never put on a red hat, or in any way spoken in favor of the blond antichrist. That's at least something.

[-] jj4211@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago

Frankly it's the kind of endorsement that is more helpful. If a moderate Republican retains the rhetoric but otherwise rejects Trump, well that might sway moderate Republican voters. If he declared the entire party was mistaken, well he loses those folks and only appeals to the folks that were already in the Harris column.

A republican saying that the Democrats are still bad, but Trump is uniquely worse and has lead the Republican leadership to lose its way, that might appeal to some people that thought to vote r no matter what, even if they had doubts about Trump.

[-] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago

I'll throw in with the other replies. Everything in this comment is political discourse from 2006. Disagreeing with the opposition's policy and at most suggesting that they're dishonest about it.

Right now we're worried about the GOP and their figurehead bringing about one-party rule and loosing the military on their domestic opposition.

I'd want to wind the clock back too, even if it means having to eye roll at conservative rhetoric like this now and then.

[-] lightrush@lemmy.ca 18 points 9 months ago

This is one of those situations when you just nod and take the endorsement.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

"Your guilty conscience may force you to vote Democratic, but deep down inside you secretly long for a cold-hearted Republican to lower taxes, brutalize criminals, and rule you like a king!"

[-] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

he left office with a projected budget surplus

It wasn't a projected surplus, it was an actual surplus for his final two years. I suppose you could say it was also a projected surplus, but Bush II and Dick "Reagan Proved Deficits Don't Matter" Cheney took care of that right quick.

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 7 points 9 months ago

You're right, but I think the point they were trying to make was that dubya inherited a surplus.

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[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 154 points 9 months ago

See that’s an immigrant who actually embraced the culture he moved to glares at elon

[-] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 33 points 9 months ago

I would pay a lot of money to see Arnold beat up Elon in a cage match. Despite the age gap, it wont even be close.

[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 19 points 9 months ago

Heh, I would've paid to watch Zuck beat his ass, but he chickened out of that one.

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[-] ViperActual@sh.itjust.works 99 points 9 months ago

I truly wish we had more politicians that behave in this manner. It should never boil down to my political party versus yours. There shouldn't be any sides to governing this country.

[-] LordCrom@lemmy.world 46 points 9 months ago

Don't you miss the days where presidentak candidates stood up for each other .... When GOP McCain defended Obama against outlandish rumors he was a secret Muslim. Seems like those days are long gone.

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[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

I think people should behave in this manner and we would live in a better world.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Imagine if we banned parties. Made lobbying illegal and funded all of the campaigns for qualified members paid for by the government. Encouraging government figures to campaign less as it saves taxes for their constituates.

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[-] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 67 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Noice. Call Arnold whatever you want, he's no MAGA ass-kisser.

[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 66 points 9 months ago

He did some dumb god damn shit in California back in the day, and he's doing the obviously right thing now that things are so different. We gather every partial win and stand together against the limpdicks.

Vote.

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 64 points 9 months ago

In one corner, Arnold Schwarzenegger.

In the other corner, Hulk Hogan.

What year is it?

[-] MehBlah@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I figure the Schwarz could take hogan and gibson at the same time.

[-] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

With a one-liner for each.

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[-] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 61 points 9 months ago

This is the type of republican endorsement Harris should be touting. His politics may be shit but at least he's got broad popularity across the aisle , unlike Cheney and the five delusional people who still think his opinion is worth considering.

[-] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 9 months ago

I actually think the opposite shows more.

"The orange idiot calls me a communist, but even these pieces of shit are voting for me over him."

I think too many people are confusing am endorsement by a piece of shit and supporting that piece of shit, like Cheney's endorsement somehow will mean Harris agrees with him.

All it means is a massive turd is saying "Don't vote for the diaper full of massive fascsist turds".

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 39 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Let it sink in:

Angela Davis - an avowed Marxist-Leninist- and Dick-fucking-Cheney both agree Kamala is the way to go.

How the hell is this election even close?

(And we can add Liz Cheney to that. She and her dad are both neo-con warmongers.)

Edit: any one have a good punchline to “Dick Cheney and Angela Davis walk into a bar….”?

[-] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 9 months ago

It boggles the mind. I can't understand ~30% of the population apparently.

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 47 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

“Increased crime”? C’mon, isn’t crime down? Don’t fall for that old white man bogeyman, Arnold.

[-] genuineparts@infosec.pub 35 points 9 months ago

He still is republican.

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[-] negativenull@lemmy.world 40 points 9 months ago

Sorry, I'll see myself out.

[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

Fuck you, Arnold. He's correct here, but he's also as crooked as they come.

[-] neatchee@lemmy.world 55 points 9 months ago

I'm not gonna pretend the clemency was an ethical move - though there is a lot to question about that plea agreement - I will say that if you think this is "as crooked as they come" you are woefully sheltered.

Cutting the sentence in half of a political-rival-turned-ally's son is messed up but the hyperbole of calling it "the most crooked you can be" is absurd

[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I think you meant to say "cutting the sentence in half of a crony's son who brutally and unambiguously stabbed an innocent man to death at the literal last minute of your time in office so there are effectively no consequences"?

[-] neatchee@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Can you read? Did you read the article? Unambiguous my ass. There is literally witness testimony that says it was the other assailant that stabbed the victim. Seriously, read the article that was linked so you don't sound quite so willfully ignorant

Also calling Nunez a crony of Schwarzenegger is hilarious given their history.

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[-] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 7 points 9 months ago

nice, good move.

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