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OK, its just a deer, but the future is clear. These things are going to start kill people left and right.

How many kids is Elon going to kill before we shut him down? Whats the number of children we're going to allow Elon to murder every year?

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[-] Hubi@feddit.org 223 points 3 months ago

The poster, who pays Tesla CEO Elon Musk for a subscription to the increasingly far-right social media site, claimed that the FSD software “works awesome” and that a deer in the road is an “edge case.” One might argue that edge cases are actually very important parts of any claimed autonomy suite, given how drivers check out when they feel the car is doing the work, but this owner remains “insanely grateful” to Tesla regardless.

How are these people always such pathetic suckers.

[-] teft@lemmy.world 140 points 3 months ago

I grew up in Maine. Deer in the road isn’t an edge case there. It’s more like a nightly occurrence.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 49 points 3 months ago

Same in Kansas. Was in a car that hit one in the 80s and see them often enough that I had to avoid one that was crossing a busy interstste highway last week.

Deer are the opposite of an edge case in the majority of the US.

[-] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Putting these valid points aside we're also all just taking for granted that the software would have properly identified a human under the same circumstances..... This could very easily have been a much more chilling outcome

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

I'm not taking that for granted. If it can't tell a solid object os in the road, I would guess that would be true for a human that is balled up or facing away as well.

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[-] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 36 points 3 months ago

Being a run of the mill fascist (rather than those in power) is actually an incredibly submissive position, they just want strong daddies to take care of them and make the bad people go away. It takes courage to be a "snowflake liberal" by comparison

[-] bluGill@fedia.io 25 points 3 months ago

Deer on the road is an edge case that humans cannot handle well. In general every option other than hitting the deer is overall worse - which is why most insurance companies won't increase your rates if you hit a deer and file a claim for repairs.

The only way to not hit/kill hundreds of deer (thousands? I don't know the number) every year is to reduce rural speed limits to unreasonably slow speeds. Deer jump out of dark places right in front of cars all the time - the only option to avoid it that might work is either drive in the other lanes (which sometimes means into an oncoming car), or into the ditch (you have no clue what might be there - if you are lucky the car just rolls, but there could be large rocks or strong fence posts and the car stops instantly. Note that this all happens fast, you can't think you only get to react. Drivers in rural areas are taught to hit the brakes and maintain their lane.

[-] dhork@lemmy.world 56 points 3 months ago

Drivers in rural areas are taught to hit the brakes and maintain their lane.

Which the Tesla didn't do. It plowed full speed into the deer, which arguably made the collision much much worse than it could have been. I doubt the thing was programmed to maintain speed into a deer. The more likely alternative is that the FSD couldn't tell there was a deer there in the first place.

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[-] Hubi@feddit.org 31 points 3 months ago

The problem is not that the deer was hit, a human driver may have done so as well. The actual issue is that the car didn't do anything to avoid hitting it. It didn't even register that the deer was there and, what's even worse, that there was an accident. It just continued on as if nothing happened.

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[-] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 19 points 3 months ago

Deer jump out of dark places

that one was just standing there, yo

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[-] independantiste@sh.itjust.works 88 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Only keeping the regular cameras was a genius move to hold back their full autonomy plans

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 49 points 3 months ago

The day he said that "ReGULAr CAmErAs aRe ALl YoU NeEd" was the day I lost all trust in their implementation. And I'm someone who's completely ready to turn over all my driving to an autopilot lol

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[-] w3dd1e@lemm.ee 47 points 3 months ago

Deer aren’t edge cases. If you are in a rural community or the suburbs, deer are a daily way of life.

As more and more of their forests are destroyed, deer are a daily part of city life. I live in the middle of a large midwestern city; in neighborhood with houses crowded together. I see deer in my lawn regularly.

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[-] Emerald@lemmy.world 43 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I notice nobody has commented on the fact that the driver should've reacted to the deer. It's not Tesla's responsibility to emergency brake, even if that is a feature in the system. Drivers are responsible for their vehicle's movements at the end of the day.

[-] chaogomu@lemmy.world 38 points 3 months ago

Then it's not "Full self driving". It's at best lane assistance, but I wouldn't trust that either.

Elon needs to shut the fuck up about self driving and maybe issue a full recall, because he's going to get people killed.

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[-] rsuri@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

True but if Tesla keeps acting like they're on the verge of an unsupervised, steering wheel-free system...this is more evidence that they're not. I doubt we'll see a cybercab with no controls for the next 10 years if the current tech is still ignoring large, highly predictable objects in the road.

[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

That would be lovely if it wasn't called and marketed as Full Self-Driving.

You sell vaporware/incomplete functionality software and release it into the wild, then you are responsible for all the chaos it brings.

[-] JamesStallion@sh.itjust.works 39 points 3 months ago

All cars are death machines

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[-] bluGill@fedia.io 39 points 3 months ago

Driving is full of edge cases. Humans are also bad drivers who get edge cases wrong all the time.

The real question isn't is Tesla better/worse in anyone in particular, but overall how does Tesla compare. If a Tesla is better in some situations and worse in others and so overall just as bad as a human I can accept it. Is Tesla is overall worse then they shouldn't be driving at all (If they can identify those situations they can stop and make a human take over). If a Tesla is overall better then I'll accept a few edge cases where they are worse.

Tesla claims overall they are better, but they may not be telling the truth. One would think regulators have data for the above - but they are not talking about it.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago

Tesla claims overall they are better, but they may not be telling the truth. One would think regulators have data for the above - but they are not talking about it.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/nhtsa-opens-probe-into-24-mln-tesla-vehicles-over-full-self-driving-collisions-2024-10-18/

The agency is asking if other similar FSD crashes have occurred in reduced roadway visibility conditions, and if Tesla has updated or modified the FSD system in a way that may affect it in such conditions.

It sure seems like they aren't being very forthcoming with their data between this and being threatened with fines last year for not providing the data. That makes me suspect they still aren't telling the truth.

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[-] Madnessx9@lemmy.world 38 points 3 months ago

Full speed in the dark, I think most people would failed to avoid that. What's concerning is it does not stop afterwards

[-] jj4211@lemmy.world 39 points 3 months ago

Note that part of the discussion is we shouldn't settle for human limitations when we don't have to. Notably things like LIDAR are considered to give these systems superhuman vision. However, Tesla said 'eyes are good enough for folks, so just cameras'.

The rest of the industry said LIDAR is important and focus on trying to make it more practical.

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[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago

Isn't Elon advertising AI as orders of magnitudes better reaction time and much less error prone than a human though...

[-] lando55@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

Remember when they removed ultrasonic and radar sensors in favor of "Tesla Vision"? That decision demonstrably cost people their lives and yet older, proven tech continues to be eschewed in favor of the cutting edge new shiny.

I'm all for pushing the envelope when it comes to advancements in technology and AI in its many forms, but those of us that don't buy Teslas never signed up to volunteer our lives as training data for FSD.

[-] fatalError@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 3 months ago

I think the LIDAR and other sensors are supposed to be IR and see in the dark.

[-] alsimoneau@lemmy.ca 19 points 3 months ago

Sensors that the Tesla famously doesn't have (afaik, didn't check) because Elon is a dumbass.

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[-] homesnatch@lemm.ee 32 points 3 months ago

I watched the whole video.. Mowed down like 90 deer in a row.

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[-] sem 32 points 3 months ago

Why does this read like an ad for cybertrucks for people who would want to run over deer

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[-] blady_blah@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago
  1. Vehicle needed lidar
  2. Vehicle should have a collision detection indicator for anomalous collisions and random mechanical problems
[-] Turbonics@lemmy.sdf.org 28 points 3 months ago

The autopilot knows deers can't sue

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[-] NutWrench@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago

For the 1000th time Tesla: don't call it "autopilot" when it's nothing more than a cruise control that needs constant attention.

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[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

So, a kid on a bicycle or scooter is an edge case? Fuck the Muskrat and strip him of US citizenship for illegally working in the USA. Another question. WTF was the driver doing?

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[-] nimble 22 points 3 months ago

Friendly reminder that tesla auto pilot is an AI training on live data. If it hasn't seen something enough times then it won't know to stop. This is how you have a tesla running full speed into an overturned semi and many, many other accidents.

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[-] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago

Is there video that actually shows it "keeps going"? The way that video loops I know I can't tell what happens immediately after.

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[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 21 points 3 months ago

Tesla’s approach to automotive autonomy is a unique one: Rather than using pesky sensors, which cost money, the company has instead decided to rely only on the output from the car’s cameras. Its computers analyze every pixel, crunch through tons of data, and then apparently decide to just plow into deer and keep on trucking.

[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

AI: %1 chance human, keep going like nothing happened

[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

That deer was pushing the woke agenda!

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[-] HighlyRegardedArtist@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

Elon's Death

For a brief moment, I was so excited... Rip deer.

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