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[-] mo_ztt@lemmy.world 134 points 1 year ago

This commentary is reminiscent of the radical right’s reactions to the Ruby Ridge incident of 1992, an 11-day standoff in Idaho between federal agents and the family of Randy Weaver, a Christian fundamentalist affiliated with the far-right white separatist movement. The standoff resulted in the deaths of Weaver’s wife, son, and a federal marshal.

Dude... Ruby Ridge was a big deal because the FBI shot Randy Weaver in the back while he was lifting the latch to his shed to see his son's body, and then kept shooting at him as he and his family was running back to his cabin, hitting and killing his wife while she was holding their baby. It was a huge deal for a lot of people, Randy Weaver was found not guilty of any "siege-related charges" and awarded $3 million in damages, and the DOJ extensively revised their policies as a result.

Craig Deleeuw threatened to kill the president, and then according to the FBI and I see no reason to doubt them, was pointing his weapon at the FBI when they shot him. Whatever Randy Weaver did to create the Ruby Ridge confrontation, I don't think it's fair to compare the reaction to that to the reaction to this.

[-] jscummy@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 year ago

The guy that said federal agents wouldn't dare arrest him "because they'd get a .45 in the face"? He pointed a gun at the FBI?

Say it ain't so

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 1 year ago

Still, the Ruby Ridge and Waco comparisons are frightening. This is where the radical right really started to emerge. There was a great podcast series that I listened to about it. Here it is: Long Shadow (Apple) or Spotify link

[-] athos77@kbin.social 133 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Some reich-winger's tweet quoted in the article:

There has been no claim that this individual fired on FBI agents, or even that he was armed at the time of the fatal altercation today. Apparently a giant squad of militarized personnel was incapable of apprehending a 75 year old man without gunning him down on his doorstep.

In Buffalo, a 75 year old man who was trying to turn in lost property during a protest; the police shoved him to the ground so hard that he was bleeding from his head, but they just stepped over his body. Breonna Taylor was sleeping when cops raided the wrong apartment. Charles Kinsey was shot lying facedown in the street with his hands in the air while trying to protect his autistic patient.

They're fine with all the other "poor outcome" police shootings in this country, they only get upset and fearful when one of "their own" is shot.

[-] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml 48 points 1 year ago
[-] SnowdropDelusion@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I get what you are trying to say, but she wasn’t sleeping at the time of the shooting. No need to rely on misinformation to here. The truth is damning enough for police.

Edit: In case y’all need proof.

Courier Journal: Louisville Local Newspaper, Left Leaning

Claim: Taylor was shot while she was asleep in bed

Various social media posts and media reports have said Louisville police gunned down Taylor as she was asleep in bed.

Commonwealth's Attorney Tom Wine played partial recordings of police interviews with Walker during a May 22, 2020, news conference in which Walker told police he and Taylor were watching a movie in bed — it was “watching them more than we were watching it,” he said — when they heard a loud bang at the door, scaring both of them.

Walker said he initially thought it might’ve been Taylor's former boyfriend, but there was no response when Taylor twice called out, “Who is it?”

Then, Walker, saying he was "scared to death," grabbed his legally owned handgun.”

[-] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

getting your door kicked in by a gang of cops about to shoot you to death tends to wake a person up

what misinformation?

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[-] Notorious_handholder@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

I don't understand the value of this comment and it seems like it's being pedantic and splitting hairs for an unimportant reason. Whether or not she was sleeping when the bullet entered her is ignoring the main point. If you want to call it misinformation then that's really stretching the term for misinformation.

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[-] mo_ztt@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

If you are one of the people downvoting this comment - you really need to reexamine your way of thinking.

The dude is just trying to correct the factual record. If you look at that, and those facts are unfriendly to your collection of how you like to feel about the situation and so you downvote him/her or start a protracted argument with him/her about it -- that means biases are more important to you than factual accuracy.

I think, like any sensible person, that what happened to Breonna Taylor was a heinous crime and the cops involved should be punished. But, I also think the facts of the situation are important. She wasn't shot while she was sleeping.

Again, if you're downvoting, it means supporting your own biases is more important to you than the facts, and that's dangerous. That is exactly what the MAGA crowd does and part of what makes them so dangerous and so difficult to communicate with. So please don't do the same from "the other side."

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[-] Vlhacs@reddthat.com 21 points 1 year ago

I bet they're the same ones that don't want body cams or investigations into excessive policing...

[-] sndmn@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago
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[-] Slwh47696@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Just respond to them that he should've obeyed and he'd be alive

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[-] TheOneWithTheHair@lemmy.world 81 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Craig DeLeeuw Robertson was an American retiree from Provo, Utah who allegedly threatened online to assassinate President of the United States Joe Biden and other government officials and was subsequently shot and killed by agents of the FBI on August 9, 2023 when they attempted to execute search and arrest warrants.

He allegedly referenced the president's scheduled Thursday visit to Utah and threatened to dig out camouflage gear and a rifle.

In other posts, Robertson identifies himself as a “MAGA TRUMPER” and describes one of his rifles as a “DEMOCRAT ERADICATOR.”

The complaint included screenshots from Robertson’s profile where he threatened to shoot (New York County District Attorney Alvin Bragg, who is prosecuting a criminal case against former President Donald Trump) in a courthouse parking garage. But when FBI agents confronted Robertson, he said it was a dream, according to the complaint.

Days after FBI agents spoke with Robertson on March 19 and told him they were investigating his social media posts, Robertson started posting content addressed to the FBI itself. He often said he knew they were watching what he was posting, and that the agents who spoke to him came close to being shot.

Additional info from: https://www.sltrib.com/news/2023/08/10/what-we-know-about-provo-man/

So they didn't march in and assassinate him; they've been trying to get him to calm down since March and he still posts threats...

[-] TwoGems@lemmy.ml 67 points 1 year ago

Far right figures will always claim this and stoke stochastic terrorism. So go vote in 2024. Actually, go vote in every local election. We got a lot of terrorism fixing to do.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

It is amazing how they are always the badass and victim in their own story.

Some FCC licensed corporate shill expresses a viewpoint slightly to the right of average and at the same time they are a radical freethinker truthteller who is being threatened, censored, and attacked.

Yeah buddy you arent special. You work for the man same as the rest of us. If you cross a line that costs them money they will fire you.

[-] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

It is amazing how they are always the badass and victim in their own story.

This is fascism. Just pointing it out for everyone scrolling by. Not "everyone I hate is a Nazi". No, that contradiction is a key part of fascism. We cannot play nicely with those who aren't intent on even playing the same game.

[-] Uranium3006@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

We need to do more than just voting

[-] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 57 points 1 year ago

Projection is at the core of GOP

[-] NounsAndWords@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

Which makes me legitimately scared about what happens if/when they get control of the executive branch again.

[-] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago
[-] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

You got downvoted because it’s an uncomfortable statement, but you’re not wrong. Conservatives are very good at riling up voters, whereas democrats seem to present the most milquetoast candidates at every single opportunity.

The biggest opponent for conservatives is liberals; The biggest opponent for liberals consistently seems to be other liberals. Because liberals have repeatedly shown that even when they have full control of the legislative and executive branches, they’re still ineffective at passing meaningful legislation. Meanwhile, conservatives are really really good at presenting a unified front. They’re able to fall in line and vote on unpopular things without worrying about pissing off half of their voter base.

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[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I would worry. If the Biden administration wanted you dead they would

Step 1: conduct polls on the matter

Step 2: send a begging letter to the GOP asking for permission

Step 3: open negotiations with the GOP and gives them whatever they want.

Step 4: spend ten months at Town hall meeting to convince the liberal base

Step 5: get approval from Congress

Step 6: fight the court battles

Step 7: lose in the Supreme Court when Roberts vomits all over it.

Step 8: repeat the process with a watered down version, maybe not kill me, maybe just give me a head injury and let god decide.

.....

You would be fine for at least 20 years and then get a letter saying "you are a bad person.". Not even a !

[-] PBCrisps@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

“you are a bad person.”

Nah, that's too spicy for Democrats. Their letter would accuse them of having no "shame", or "honor", as if any Republican gives a shit about those concepts.

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[-] Bipta@kbin.social 43 points 1 year ago

We are all domestic terrorists

It explains their concern...

[-] cultsuperstar@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 year ago

Haha the far right have been threatening to kill liberals for a few years now and are itching for an real civil war. Most of the threats I read about are made in their Telegram channels, but they all say how they're stocking up on guns and ammo and waiting for the go-ahead.

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[-] Hyperreality@kbin.social 37 points 1 year ago

Orwell on Hitler:

It is a pathetic, dog-like face, the face of a man suffering under intolerable wrongs. In a rather more manly way it reproduces the expression of innumerable pictures of Christ crucified, and there is little doubt that that is how Hitler sees himself. The initial, personal cause of his grievance against the universe can only be guessed at; but at any rate the grievance is here. He is the martyr, the victim, Prometheus chained to the rock, the self-sacrificing hero who fights single-handed against impossible odds. If he were killing a mouse he would know how to make it seem like a dragon.

Like the cop who beats up his wife, then cries because she made him do it, and convinces himself he's really the victim of the whole debacle.

[-] dangblingus@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

Keep making direct terrorist threats and watch what happens.

[-] sic_1@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

Don't tolerate the intolerant. That's how you protect democracy.

[-] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

well, if they’re shifting the definition of “conservative” to what others call a “domestic terrorist who made death threats against the President and then had a shootout with the FBI rather than surrender,” then yeah, those people should watch out.

[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

Snake choked on its own tail today.

Fear mongering far right "journalists" terrifying fragile old, broken white men until they threaten the president's life constantly. Then the FBI knocks on their door in seemingly valid response and the fragile, frightened old man likely comes to the door with a loaded AR-15, a grenade belt and a blue lives matter t-shirt. His heroes in law enforcement, who are at the same time infallible super beings and complicit traitors tell him to drop the weapon, he refuses... And no more Walter.

The next day, the same fear mongering far right "journalists" tell the "story" of Walter, an innocent martyr, silenced by the JOE BRANDON!

Con artists and cowards.

[-] iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

Just more projection, since conservatives have been getting away with murder openly for decades.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

Whatever, they've been claiming that for years. They said the Clintons would come kill them because of Waco.

[-] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago

They're still really sad when Obama took all their guns back in 2012. That's why Republicans are so insecure, because they don't have any guns! The government took them all. I think they sent them to Mexico, or something.

Right??

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Don't forget Jade Helm when they knocked all the Conservatives' doors down and marched them into concentration camps that used to be Walmarts.

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[-] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

The tips to the FBI came from truth social

[-] febra@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

At least conservatives are acknowledging that they're terrorists

[-] Buffaloaf@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Funny thing is that, purportedly, the FBI originally got a tip about him from Truth Social.

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[-] rivermonster@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

Fact: During WWII Americans volunteered to kill Nazis nationwide. And traveled the world successfully to do it.

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[-] ScrollinMyDayAway@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

But threatening to murder people online is protected by mUh FiRsT aMeNdMeNt rights!

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