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More than 100 Arizona Palestinian, Arab, Muslim, and progressive Democrats and community leaders have signed a letter making the case for those reluctant to support Kamala Harris against Donald Trump.

“We know that many in our communities are resistant to vote for Kamala Harris because of the Biden administration’s complicity in the genocide,” the letter, published Thursday night, reads.

“Some of us have lost many family members in Gaza and Lebanon. We respect those who feel they simply can’t vote for a member of the administration that sent the bombs that may have killed their loved ones,” the letter continued. “As we consider the full situation carefully, however, we conclude that voting for Kamala Harris is the best option for the Palestinian cause and all of our communities.”

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[-] UsernameHere@lemmy.world 231 points 4 weeks ago

It is important to note that foreign nations like Iran, Russia and China are using this topic to convince voters to allow facism to win the election in the US. This doesn’t mean that Israel shouldn’t be held accountable for their actions. But history shows how foreign actors use these topics to manipulate us.

[-] Samvega 65 points 4 weeks ago

I think it is important to note that a surprisingly large number of voters say they like fascism without any need to rationalise that as foreign meddling. Being told that you are good because you are ingroup and they are bad because they are outgroup is an enduringly popular message with a large minority of people.

[-] prole 21 points 4 weeks ago

Looks like teaching history was important after all...

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[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 27 points 4 weeks ago

Yeah, it sucks but everyone just needs to hold their nose and do what will have the best outcome. Sadly, if Trump is elected, this will probably not be an issue in the future. Yeah, Harris needs to do more and the democrats need to be pressured into doing what's right, but the only way that matters is if they're in power. If Republicans have control, nothing you say regarding Palestine will matter.

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[-] derf82@lemmy.world 159 points 4 weeks ago

Do Muslim’s really think voting for Muslim ban guy who would give Israel even more weapons a better choice?

[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 30 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

A poll released Monday conducted by Arab News/YouGov found that Trump led Harris 45 percent to 43 percent among Arab Americans. Those voters said that they viewed Trump as more supportive of Israel’s current government, but that he was more likely to end the conflict.

In 2020, FL Hispanics were bombarded with ads saying that Biden would give away Florida to Castro as part of his love for communism or deport them all to Cuba. Trump won FL by a large margin, mostly because Miami area was not as blue as in the past. 60% of FL voters still voted for $15 minimum wage.

In 2020, also, heavily hispanic southern counties of TX went pro Trump on ads that there would be a lot of work in the counties from building walls.

AIPAC lobby has spent record amounts on primaries for democrats this year where the incumbent supported a ceasefire. The only ones AIPAC won were ones where they did not mention Israel at all. Other Republican PACs are blanketing Arab zip codes with how pro Israel Harris is, and Jewish zip codes with how she is a muslim plant.

While Trump very proudly has RFK boast of his desire to end the most stupid war the US has ever conducted, Trump is favoured by Netanyahu, including reported daily strategy calls on how to sabotage Biden's fake constraints policies. He is more likely to believe any benefits Netanyahu tells him of a full war on Iran/Lebanon/Syria over any prudence.

Trump's main claim for 2020 election "rigging" is that a Hunter Biden laptop existed, without anything implicating President on it. But republican rigging of misinformation, and vote suppression, just wasn't enough even though that nothing story was still all over the news.

There are serious problems with US electoral system, and it is orders of magnitude worse every cycle.

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[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 130 points 4 weeks ago

That is fucking brutal.

I agree but man what a horrible choice.

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 57 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

yeah its a truly dystopian choice but voting for somebody doesn't mean you approve of everything they have done or will do.

It just means for those with affected friends and families they have done the cruel calculus and have decided which path will be lesser of two evils.

I fully expect trump to try to deport palestinian refugees and its crazy this is where we are at.

[-] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 31 points 4 weeks ago

I mean, he's promised to deport Americans who protest on behalf of the Palestinians. He sure wouldn't hesitate to deport Palestinian refugees.

[-] Souroak@lemmy.sdf.org 30 points 4 weeks ago

It is no choice between someone who disappoints me in their responses on this issue, and someone who openly wonders if sending a nuclear warhead into a hurricane a couple hundred miles offshore will lead to a positive result. And of course that was with where his mental state was at over 4 years ago.

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[-] irotsoma@lemmy.world 35 points 4 weeks ago

Every election in the US is that way. It's a choice of the lesser evil and you can only vote against the greater evil not vote for good.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 99 points 4 weeks ago

Some of us have lost many family members in Gaza and Lebanon.

Watch the "a vote for Kamala is a vote for genocide" crowd claim these Palestinian and Lebanese Americans support genocide in Palestine and Lebanon.

[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 28 points 4 weeks ago

I love you but let’s let the bad faith people speak for themselves.

Those shitty trolls pretending to be tankies don’t need your help.

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[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 19 points 4 weeks ago

Welcome to your first exposure to the NGO and political class constellation. You might notice that the letter itself is not just Palestinians, either, but includes, per their own statement, Arabs, "Progressive Democrats", and "Community Leqders". Notice how many are top-level leadership of various Dem-connected NGOs and how few seem to be average folks.

Dems have done the same thing when it comes to supporting cops against demands for racial justice re: policing. They gather a set of black " community leaders", I.e. business owners and heads of NGOs and party-associated orgs, and then say, "but actually we want more cops!" It is tokenizing.

But you have correctly identified its purpose: to get you to participate in the tokenization and have a green light for complicity in genocide. After all, Real Palestinians (TM) gave you permission, right?

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 30 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Called it.

"I care more about Palestine than those worthless Palestinians do."

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 20 points 4 weeks ago

"But I don't care at all about Ukraine or any domestic issues."

[-] wolfshadowheart@leminal.space 18 points 4 weeks ago

Better yet, ask TheOub about Tiananmen.

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[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 25 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

It's not false that Trump would be even worse though, having encouraged Netanyahu to be even more brutal than he is. So if you have the choice between a vote to keep Trump out, or not voting and making it easier for him to take over, the less worse (but still bad) option for Palestine is to vote for whoever will most effectively keep Trump out.

I know this kind of electoral pragmatism feels a bit disgusting, but the cure for that is to get politically active outside of the electoral system, in addition to keeping the worst candidate out at election time.

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[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 62 points 4 weeks ago

Man, I hope this changes some minds, but it might be too little too late. She's had a lot of opportunities to turn things around with the Arab community, and she's flat out ignored all of them. I'm really worried this will be her version of Hillary's, "I don't need to campaign in the Rust Belt," decision.

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[-] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 47 points 4 weeks ago

Not that I'm not glad, but this kind of endorsement needs time to permeate, and could've shut up a large chunk of disingenuous contrarians a MONTH ago.

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[-] MsPenguinette@lemmy.world 40 points 4 weeks ago

How is her getting this endorsement over Trump stunning? It's a no-fucking-shit development

[-] dhork@lemmy.world 63 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Because somehow there are Muslims and Arab-Americans who have convinced themselves that voting for the guy who instituted the "Muslim Ban" and called their countries "shitholes" is better than voting for Harris.

There is a reason why Netanyahu and his war cabinet haven't listened to people (including in Biden's administration) pushing a cease fire. It's because Netanyahu knows that if Trump wins, he will have permission to "finish what he started" in Gaza. Then Trump and Kushner will build golf courses there with Saudi money.

[-] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 20 points 4 weeks ago

Because for people who lost loved ones in Gaza thanks to American aid and weapons, with her agreement and approval, it’s a painful thing for them to give.

And a clear indication of how terrifying the prospect is, for them, of what Trump might do to their loved ones, if he gets in.

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[-] Freefall@lemmy.world 34 points 4 weeks ago

I wish these .ml clowns would hold their impotent revolution stirring for ONE critical election. Once trump is gone and MAGA gets told they are unacceptable by a massive blue tsunami, then trump is completely into dementia before he gets another chance to lose, then you can go be a hero and fight against our interests at home in favor of....still doing genocide....or whatever ignorant magical change you think is going to happen instead.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 18 points 4 weeks ago

If they're having their revolution by voting in an election they need to brush up on what a revolution is.

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[-] LadyAutumn 31 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

We live in the most depressing timeline. Please vote for genociders. They won't stop the genocide. But they also won't turn America overnight into a dictatorship. It's the best of 2 profoundly horrifying and depressing options. Another decade of international American war crimes awaits either way. But at the least, the status quo for Americans is better than fascism.

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 25 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

With a nation as powerful as the US, it's never going to be one issue, and the options are rarely going to be simply good things versus simply bad things - at least until we have a form of democracy that is more representative and we do a lot of work on a, let's just admit it, undereducated, overly propagandized, and far too distracted electorate.

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[-] ArugulaZ@lemmy.zip 29 points 3 weeks ago

Tankies: "B-but now we can't swing the election to Trump with our constant whining and unrealistic demands!"

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[-] atk007@lemmy.world 28 points 3 weeks ago

Brutal. You have to support the one who kills half of your children because the other one will kill all of them.

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