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More than 100 Arizona Palestinian, Arab, Muslim, and progressive Democrats and community leaders have signed a letter making the case for those reluctant to support Kamala Harris against Donald Trump.

“We know that many in our communities are resistant to vote for Kamala Harris because of the Biden administration’s complicity in the genocide,” the letter, published Thursday night, reads.

“Some of us have lost many family members in Gaza and Lebanon. We respect those who feel they simply can’t vote for a member of the administration that sent the bombs that may have killed their loved ones,” the letter continued. “As we consider the full situation carefully, however, we conclude that voting for Kamala Harris is the best option for the Palestinian cause and all of our communities.”

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[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 27 points 2 months ago

Yeah, it sucks but everyone just needs to hold their nose and do what will have the best outcome. Sadly, if Trump is elected, this will probably not be an issue in the future. Yeah, Harris needs to do more and the democrats need to be pressured into doing what's right, but the only way that matters is if they're in power. If Republicans have control, nothing you say regarding Palestine will matter.

[-] Samvega 10 points 2 months ago

If Republicans have control, nothing you say regarding Palestine will matter.

I sadly suspect that political orthodoxy will continue, and that orthodoxy is "it's okay for the IDF to kill innocent people".

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 months ago

For sure, in the near future. Hopefully we can improve on that, but we have to have Palestinians alive to improve on it.

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago

You cannot improve on it by giving unconditional support to those committing the genocide.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 months ago

There are other means of resistance that don't give power to those who will do worse. Take direct action and vote for who will reduce harm.

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago

Do not normalize or support genociders.

Re: reducing harm, genocide is as harmful as it gets and the candidate you are telkjng people to support is an active part of the ongoing genocide. The idea that you would be reducing harm by advocating for that is absurd.

You should, of course, engage in meaningful resistance, but those who rationalize voting for genociders are not the people who do that. This is a barrier to action, it is complacency.

[-] svtdragon@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The current administration is advocating for a ceasefire while Trump is literally on the other line with Bibi trying to thwart the negotiation. These things are not the same.

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago

The current administration is not advocating for a ceasefire, they are just telling you that they are. They have redefined the meaning of the term to mean full surrender and occupation for Gaza and all the while have been providing unconditional material support for Israel, including when they kill the negotiators for the resistance.

This is something that Harris is particularly complicit in, she was a major part of the push in March-June for this redefinition of ceasefire.

This is also why ceasefire rhetoric was always very weak. It is just so easy to coopt. The newer line on ending arms to Israel is much better.

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[-] zbyte64@awful.systems 7 points 2 months ago

How did you figure out how to not pay taxes?

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[-] jumjummy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

You do it by overwhelmingly knocking out the GOP so that there’s room within the blue wave for more progressive candidates.

If, somehow, the Democrats swept with some insane margins, the GOP in its current form would need to evolve or die.

When a race is this close, the Democrats will always move to the center.

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[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago

You should not normalize genocide by voting for any genocider candidate, nor publicly rationalizing doing so.

[-] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 24 points 2 months ago

It is extremely effective to not vote! The republicans have been pushing this shit for years and I trust them.

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago

I would like you and others to stop normalizing the genocide of Palestine. If you stop announcing your unconditional support for the people genociding Palestine to any degree then it has been effective.

In terms of being more generally politically effective, it is important to take a step away from the dictates of your political class faction. I think that having a simple red line of not supporting genocide should be enough for any moral person to do so.

[-] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 29 points 2 months ago

Yes, let’s let a fascist who wants to kill the Palestinians even faster into power. It will be super effective to protest against him when he is using military force to suppress us. It’s not like he hasn’t already used BOTAC to kill leftists during the George Floyd uprisings. Surely all the guardrails will allow us to stop the genocide with him in power!

“After Trump, Our Turn” comrades! Don’t vote!

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[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 months ago

We should protest and take action, but vote for those who will make things less bad. Our system is fucked, but making yourself effectively invisible doesn't help. If your vote doesn't got for one of the two parties you are worth as much as someone who doesn't exist.

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[-] shiftymccool@programming.dev 8 points 2 months ago

I'm so fucking sick of this ridiculous argument. You've identified the problem, what's your genius solution?

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