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"I never experienced another system and suddenly realize that the current system isn't perfect. My solution: let's tear everything down"
-- every teenager who just started to understand the world
"I'm such a douchebag entitled narcissist so I'm going to plug my ears and go 'na na na this is fine' as the system destroys EVERY GODDAMN FUCKING FACET of society and whatever future these 'teenagers' may have. BUT IT'S THE TEENAGERS THAT ARE TO BLAME, RIGHT?"
Get off your fucking high horse. Jesus fucking christ dude.
You know, the post that you're responding to could just be highlighting a parallel rather than being a criticism of the OP.
and go 'na na na this is fine'
that's not what I wrote and you suggesting it tells a lot about how you look at the world and people around you.
Keep on memeing, dude. You'll surely make the world a better place...
Gonna cry?
Ooohhhhh..... edgy!
Yeah also don't understand that any system involving humans is never going to be perfect because people will find a way to screw it up. That doesn't mean you give up on improving it of course, more the opposite. Every system will constantly require effort to improve or it will degrade over time.
There is no such thing as a perfect system, but that means there will always be ways to improve the existing system, no matter what the existing system is. The "tear it down and start over" mentality makes people useless in efforts to actually make things better. Perfect is the enemy of good.
I never experienced another system and have come to the gradual realisation that the current system is inherently exploitative, values some people above others, and leaves very little hope for a future as it continues to render the planet's surface less habitable by the year. My solution: let's tear the system down before it tears all of us down with it.
FTFY.
My solution: let's tear the system down before it tears all of us down with it.
"...without having any clue about what comes next, blindly hoping that it will rule out injustice and inherent exploitation although there is no precedence or vision by anyone."
This is not a fix. It's calling to kill the complete herd for a few sick animals while others take enormous efforts to find a cure.
Where did I say that? I think it's really funny how when I corrected an obvious strawman, my correction was strawmanned.
Where did I say that?
I quoted the very part. Are you trolling? You can't have missed my quote.
when I corrected an obvious strawman
You didn't fix anything. You just explained the meme keeping it's original ignorance.
my correction was strawmanned.
Read up what a Strawman is. I didn't change the original argument - since there was none.
Best you could say is that I used a hyperbole so you understand how people who actually care about politics perceive your helpless destructive whining.
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Destroyed and replaced by?
People fail to realize that socialism isn't just an ideology but a process. It involves looking back at previous attempts and learning from their mistakes and improving.
Hey, you cut it out with that education! How are people supposed to falsly believe that socialism is China or Russia or Vuvuzela if you go around explaining how it's not?
Is every ideology also a process where people learn from their past attempts at achieving the ideology?
Sure, but this is the very core of socialism, or the whole concept of scientific marxism
I think it's important to distinguish socialism and Marxism here, since you're referring pretty specifically to Marxist theory.
That said, you're not wrong - Marx postulates that history moves through a continuous fight between classes, and that on average we move towards a more equal society over time as a result of this fight. The fall of the monarchy was the result of class struggle, but so was the fall of the Soviet union; the Bolsheviks had just replaced the ruling elite, walking on two legs in Orwells terms. In this sense, every revolution could be understood under the logic of Marxism, as "the history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles".
But then we're speaking about a Marxist understanding of history, not a socialist ideal for society.
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That’s what capitalism is for😎
Versus doing nothing? Lemmy is fucking ass lately, shitting all over hyperbole while rolling over and letting capitalism and pessimism run your sorry, sad fucking lives.
Which is a fix, not possible to implement in the chaos after a revolution, and not remotely a replacement.
I'd argue the only reason it was possible to implement in the first place was the post-war context of having to rebuild everything from scratch; the power dynamics in place before the war were left in the rubble. The father of Norwegian social democracy spent the years before the war in and out of jail, the war years in a prison camp, and the post war years as prime minister.
They also had to contrast the USSR, which had a very good quality of life for most citizens. Without socdem, people would have seen the difference between the USSR and Europe as positive due to things like eliminating homelessness, a right to food, and guaranteed healthcare. In the ~30 years since the Soviet Union fell, the EU is slowly crawling back in line with the US.
you might want to speak with someone who lived in the USSR.
Even if you do, the past is a complicated thing. Plenty of people are nostalgic to the USSR, and many of them might very well have been better off under communism.
That said, in terms of standards of living, I think it's fair to say the Nordic countries were comparing themselves to the US way more than the Soviet Union in the postwar era. The Finns would rather be dead than associated with the Soviets, which many of them demonstrated quite forcefully during the war. As for the other Nordic countries, the Marshall Plan certainly didn't weaken the admiration of the US.
If anything, what made the Nordic model such a success was the decision to look away from the Soviets - the influence the Soviet Union had over European socialist parties somehow didn't catch on in the North. Marxist-Leninist parties existed (and still exist), but they were mostly sidelined (to a degree that is, in all fairness, problematic in its own right).
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I will ask the questions, comrade
Nothing.
Well, nothing where a human is in charge. I'd rather let Bing AI take the wheel. AI isn't greedy or ambitious for one so no need to go full totalitarian like every single revolution.
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Oh tankies...
The systems not broken it was built this way.
Punchline title.
Good meme tho.
It's a glass-half-full, glass-half-empty situation. Both viewpoints are correct. The question is: which is easier? Fixing a broken system or destroying the system and creating a new one?
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