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[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 314 points 2 months ago

He didn't expel all Russians, just the ones working for sanctioned Russian companies.

https://social.kernel.org/notice/AnIv3IogdUsebImO6i

[-] merari42@lemmy.world 110 points 2 months ago

Important context and a good decision

[-] aidan@lemmy.world 47 points 2 months ago

That would've been great for them to clarify earlier XD

[-] potustheplant@feddit.nl 29 points 2 months ago

That would've generated fewer clicks. Sensationalism is always more profitable.

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[-] polar@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago

Good! So why the incendiary comments Linus made on Russians. It is so hard to say something like this: "I have to expel them from the project due to a US law forced us to do it. However, I had trust on them all these years and they contributed a lot to the project (that is why they were working here). Now, I am against the law because we should not discriminate people for the origin. Moreover, the claim that they can harm the software is unwarranted because it is OPEN and many eyes are on it. Finally, this harms the entire Linux project because now makes it an "American"project rather than an global one. Sad times."

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[-] Kronusdark@lemmy.world 202 points 2 months ago

I think given the current political situation this is the right call. No one knows what the Russian government might compel otherwise innocent devs to do.

That said, we (and I mean society, not any particular individual) should be mindful that we don’t slip into bigotry.

[-] ____@infosec.pub 62 points 2 months ago

I’ve worked side by side with RU devs who were both personable and damned competent. Never were their tech skills in doubt, and I retain quite a bit of respect for those individuals.

I’d not do the same today explicitly because of the political and compliance implications. It’s unfortunate, but necessary.

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[-] geography082@lemm.ee 28 points 2 months ago

Linux Fundarion is based in America. It needs to follow its rules and politics. I guess a lot of things will happen after this. As something so important for open technology like It , should be based in a more open, mor asvanced in laws and neutral territory.

[-] EarthShipTechIntern@lemm.ee 34 points 2 months ago

Linus is from Finland. Not hard to remember reasons for aversion to Russian propaganda for anyone raised near it.

Blanketing the Linux Foundation as American based kind of sounds like you're a Russian troll.

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[-] MilitantAtheist@lemmy.world 166 points 2 months ago

Linus is from Finland. Finns barely tolerate Russians under usual circumstances. These are not usual circumstances.

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[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 154 points 2 months ago

Absolutely based as fuck as usual.

[-] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 99 points 2 months ago

Good cleanup on the security vulnerabilities!

[-] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 30 points 2 months ago

Honestly, that's the main thing I was thinking.

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[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca 96 points 2 months ago

To directly quote Linus:

Ok, lots of Russian trolls out and about.

It's entirely clear why the change was done, it's not getting reverted, and using multiple random anonymous accounts to try to "grass root" it by Russian troll factories isn't going to change anything.

And FYI for the actual innocent bystanders who aren't troll farm accounts - the "various compliance requirements" are not just a US thing.

If you haven't heard of Russian sanctions yet, you should try to read the news some day. And by "news", I don't mean Russian state-sponsored spam.

As to sending me a revert patch - please use whatever mush you call brains. I'm Finnish. Did you think I'd be supporting Russian aggression? Apparently it's not just lack of real news, it's lack of history knowledge too.

[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 26 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Linus really pouring on that "white death" energy.

[-] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 94 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's really awesome to expel by nationality, even including people who've long moved out and immigrated years ago and don't support the invasion and war waged on Ukraine /s

Honestly fuck Russia ofc, but this goes a bit too far into the grey area between hawkish-reasonable and discriminatory, and on the latter side I'm not sure who and/or what this is meant to help, nor does it seem particularly fair to those individual contributors to keep their code yet remove attribution and mailing list entries.

EDIT: holy shit the bloodlust in the comments here is actually unreal, even on arr slash neoliberal and the politics communities here on lemmy the comments are way more sane.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 72 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Why are people so fundamentally incapable of nuanced judgement. According to people in this comment section, a human is entirely defined by their country of origin. What is this witch hunt level, toddler IQ thinking. Are people really so desperate to have a "bad guy" that they can blame everything on? This dehumanization of people is wild to me.

[-] Virkkunen@fedia.io 42 points 2 months ago

a human is entirely defined by their country of origin

This reeks of Americanism, yanks are absurdly obsessed with race and nationality

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The irony of your comment is not lost on me.

But yeah if you were to measure a country by its loudest voices then that would be accurate.

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[-] freeman@sh.itjust.works 39 points 2 months ago

It's disappointing behavior by Linus. It's understandable that sanctions could force the removal of people just for being Russia.

His reply however shows he personally is in favor of removing people just for being Russian.

I wonder if any of the people who pressured him to take some time off for being a "jerk" will give a shit for this response.

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[-] FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world 84 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

How is this keeping to open source philosophies in any way?

“No, you can’t work on this, you’re Russian.”

I don’t support the Russian Government or its actions in any way, but these devs are probably not part of it. They maintain drivers for fucking ASUS hardware.

[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 72 points 2 months ago

Because there are both US and EU laws preventing code from countries deemed a threat. Torvalds is paid by the Ameircan Linux Foundation, which has to work under US law and he himself is an EU citizen. Also a lot of other developers are from those countries and if they do not comply, they could get into some pretty bad legal trouble.

So it pretty much boils down to kick out the Russians or kick out all US and EU citizens and well we see Linus choice.

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[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 months ago

This has nothing to do with open source. If Russians want to work on the Linux kernel, they're absolutely free to do so, because the source code is free and open source. What they are being restricted from is getting their changes submitted to the normal Linux foundation trees. FOSS doesn't mean you're entitled to have the maintainer of a project look at your patches, it means you can use the software however you want.

And yeah, it makes me sad that Russian kernel maintainers are being excluded. That doesn't mean it's a violation of open source philosophies (a maintainer can exclude anyone they want for any reason), it just means it's an unfortunate policy due to international sanctions.

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[-] Dayroom7485@lemmy.world 83 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yo this comment section is a dumpster fire 🔥

edit: Remember Russian propaganda's goal is to sabotage free discussion and conversation. They achieve this by e.g. shitting in a comment section. That might explain what's going on here. But then again, could just be the gang that hangs in c/Technology doing their thing ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[-] style99@lemm.ee 62 points 2 months ago

Lots of pro-Russia bots in here pretending to be concerned about ~~their sudden inability to sneak backdoors into the kernel~~open source.

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[-] TheBlue22 64 points 2 months ago

I wouldn't want to have FSB agents maintaining my open source either.

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[-] trespasser69@lemmy.world 61 points 2 months ago

Linus in 2012: Nvidia fuck you

Linus in 2024: Russia fuck you

[-] TonyOstrich@lemmy.world 38 points 2 months ago
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[-] MCasq_qsaCJ_234@lemmy.zip 34 points 2 months ago

No changes until China decides to invade Taiwan and the sanctions that Russia currently has begin.

[-] r00ty@kbin.life 49 points 2 months ago

You know. I don't like what the Russian leadership and military are doing. I feel like ultimately we're in the cold war era. But you know, at the height of the cold war, radio operators around the world still worked Russian stations.

Yes, there was a very clear policy, neither side talked about ANYTHING beyond their signal report and working conditions (information about radio, power output and aerial basically). At the height of the actual cold war, the individuals were not cancelled like this.

Sanction the leadership, sanction the money, and sanction the military. But the normal people that are subject to the propaganda? I don't understand the benefit in doing this. I also don't see how the sanctions effect an open source project..

Seems a bit weird. Maybe there's information we're not privy to, but on the face of it, just based on what we're seeing. Seems like a very very odd move.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 62 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

don’t understand the benefit in doing this.

FSB wants backdoor in kernel. FSB notices subsystem maintainer is Russian, lives in Chelyabinsk. Can close eyes to backdoor, can pretend to review. FSB in Moscow make call to FSB in Chelyabinsk telling to buy heavy wrench at hardware store.

[-] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago

Same could be said for any intelligence service . it is better to focus on preventing and detecting these things through analysis and code reviews.

And they could just offer boatloads of cash to someone in another country to insert something so this doesn't really prevent anything it only isolates a certain subset of people.

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[-] YeetPics@mander.xyz 47 points 2 months ago

I don't understand the benefit in doing this.

Security. Torvalds did this for security.

Is it really that hard to parse?

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[-] hitwright@lemmy.world 38 points 2 months ago

I'm surprised how many people treat GPL to ignore borders. The IP law still operates only by the rules your country decides.

I can understand the desire for information to be free, but unless Open source movement becomes it's own country the discussion should end there.

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[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 31 points 2 months ago

You have to be arguing in bad faith if you’re trying to say “citizens of nation shouldn’t be responsible for their nation”

The open source benefit is not that they can directly impact it, it’s that their government can’t

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[-] lemmeBe@sh.itjust.works 30 points 2 months ago

Just goes to show that even a legend can act like an idiot.

[-] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 41 points 2 months ago

Like not risking his lifelyhood to fight US and EU sanctions against a genocidal regime?

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[-] yournamehere@lemm.ee 27 points 2 months ago

russian economy after over 1k days of war is evaporized and putin now is Xis little dog. so if we all work together now nobody will remember a country called russia in 100 years. nations are just a phantasy and it wont hurt to let go of some.

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