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[-] underwire212@lemm.ee 53 points 1 day ago

Lmao genocide is not a “highly complex geopolitical issue”

It is neocolonialism that has been going on for a while (not 1000 years??) and is now ramping up to full on blatant murder, genocide, and devastation for the Palestinian peoples.

I can think of something US govt can do literally right now to help; STOP GIVING ISRAEL FUCKING WEAPONS!

But then the poor investors of aero/defense industrial complex will whine and complain that their Raytheon stock went down 5% ☹️. Can’t have that now can we

[-] ameancow@lemmy.world 10 points 21 hours ago

I don't think any of this is controversial to people who understand the world and don't huff paint all day.

The problem is in terms of this coming election, using these arguments to allow Trump to get into office will only make the situation far worse, and everyone knows this. Or should know it, it's pretty obvious, so it's confusing and suspect when people supposedly on the left are trying to discourage us from voting dem in a couple weeks.

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[-] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 24 points 22 hours ago

There was no massive Jewish/Muslim conflict for a 1000 years in the region. The biggest massacre in the region against the Jews was probably the Siege of Jerusalem by the Crusaders in 1099, albiet exact numbers are not available. The crusaders killed everyone in the city with a death toll as low as 3000 to as high as 70000. This includes all Muslims, Jews, and Christians.

When I tried to look at the pogroms done against Jews in the Levant the history is actually remarkably scant. While they did happen, my impression based on just reading the wiki article was that they were caught up in larger conflicts in the region and it wasn't a deliberate targetting in the same way the Tsar's cossacks targetted Jews. And in all those cases the dominant power always came to their rescue and compensated them for the damages done by their persecutors. Also it appears that the worst perps weren't Muslims, but Druze (who are not Muslims).

In short, Trump is not only highly dishonest, but also a worthless shitbag who has been struggling his entire life to enshittify the world we all live in. He is worse than Bezos or Zuckerberg, because at least Amazon is a decent shopping platform, and Zuckerberg's facebook helped many people (myself included) to reconnect with childhood friends that I thought I would never speak to again).

[-] cashsky@lemmy.world 15 points 20 hours ago

Please look up Brett Mcgurk before you praise Biden and Kamala's stance on Israel. Literally following Bush era policies in the Middle East.

[-] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 7 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Completely irrelevant. Nobody prizes it. Everyone just is aware that it's the best realistic outcome that election can have.

Third party is statistically impossible, don't lie to yourself. Trump: see meme. Harris: not as bad as Trump.

Unless you're a reactionary or an accelerationist who wants to see everything burn, the choice is clearly Harris.

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[-] StinkySocialist@lemmy.ml 50 points 1 day ago

This breaks rule 2. "No misinformation" Israel is not a 1000 years old it is less than 100 years old

[-] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 24 points 1 day ago

Nobody said that the state of Israel has been around for 1,000 years, they're saying conflict over the land of Israel (Southern Levant) has existed for 1,000 years. Actually, it's more like 3,000 years.

If your chronology of events here starts in 1948, you're omitting a shitload of context as to why rights over this region are so contested.

[-] StinkySocialist@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 day ago

Oh ok so this conflict started 1000 years ago?

You telling me no one contested that land before that? What year did this conflict start oh wise one? But remember if it's a lot more than 1000 years or a lot less than this post is still misinformation 😘

What a silly take.

[-] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 8 points 22 hours ago

Yes, this land was contested for hundreds of years before the Nakba. It has been home to Jews and Arabs, with both groups in opposition to each other for a very long time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel

If you think that today's conflict is unique and unrelated to the history of this region, you're not against misinformation, you are against learning anything that might challenge your overly simplistic anti-Zionist views.

[-] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 9 points 18 hours ago

I mean, if you want to trace it back that far you're talking about the bronze age Canaanites, and arguably through them the Phonecians and Carthaginians would be better successors than the Israelites. If that's the case then the land should either be under Tunisian administration (for maximum cultural continuity after the fall of Carthage during the Punic wars) or either Turkey or Italy for political continuity through right of successive conquests. Or maybe we want to go with one of the theories about just how far afield the Phonecian diaspora went and consider the state of Utah their most direct modern descendent.

The ancient history of the levant is fascinating, but in the context of the current conflict over the nation of Israel it is relevant only in that it is a major part of Israeli nationalist mythmaking. If you want to actually trace who lived in the region thousands of years ago and where they ended up to determine who the "rightful" government should be you're going to end up in some really goofy places unless you already know what answer you want to get and are seeking justification rather than illumination. Hell, nationalism as a concept only dates back a few hundred years, and before then you're arguing about the competing claims of kings and empires through descent, conquest, oaths of fealty, and whatever else. Who ruled/owned/managed your land and who you were as a people were far less connected, and using that as a justification for modern government actions honestly sounds like they're out of actual justifications. It's just Putin ranting to Tucker Carlson about medieval maps for two hours while Russian troops shell Ukrainian cities.

[-] StinkySocialist@lemmy.ml 8 points 22 hours ago

You're dodging read it again and answer. 😜

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[-] Tangentism@lemmy.ml 50 points 1 day ago

This is classic liberal brain worm nonsense.

Blue maga cultists world rather blame leftists than get your shitty candidate in line with her genocidal policies.

It's not a difficult situation to resolve: stop supplying Israel with weapons and support.

[-] BigDiction@lemmy.world 5 points 18 hours ago

In southeastern Michigan I have the luxury of voting for candidates at various levels of government who do oppose supplying Israel with weapons.

In the presidential election, where is the leverage?

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[-] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah I'm perfectly fine with not being on the same side as people openly embracing Dick Cheney and weird people can't figure out how being active in genocide is bad.

[-] CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 9 points 22 hours ago

"I'm not going to support Dick Cheney, so I'm going to help the guy even Dick Cheney thinks takes things too far."

And disingenuous people "can't figure out" how not stopping the current weapons sales is still better than giving Israel even more and better weapons and telling them to wipe the place out.

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[-] JC_Rev@midwest.social 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"1000 year conflict"

Year of Israel's creation: 1948

Start of Gaza genocide: 2023

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[-] wpb@lemmy.world 68 points 1 day ago

What 1000 year conflict? The nakba was less than a century ago. Plus "please stop giving 2000 pound bombs to Israel to commit a genocide with" is a very far cry from "please end the Israeli apartheid state".

[-] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 11 points 1 day ago

Israel: mentioned by name in multiple 2,000+ year old religious texts describing the same region of the world

Leftists: "The entire concept of Israel was invented in 1948 by the British."

[-] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Israel is a kingdom with it's capital in Samaria. It fell 2700 years ago, give or take 50 years.

We should totally use that fact to make millions of people miserable and commit mass rape for 75 years... - People who only use the Bible when it's convenient for them.

Edit: Also, want to know what happened to the Samaritans: They became the Arabic speaking population of Nablus (and other areas of northren Palestine).

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[-] imAadesh@lemmy.ml 69 points 1 day ago

Stop killing Palestinians is such a far left position man. I can't even. Americans are effing weird.

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