I love how in the US getting Hitler elected would just be a matter of having a total of one worse person run for president. Then the Dems would be selling him as the saviour of the working class and minorities.
"What? Third party? You might as well be voting for Hitl... Wait"
It's funny that the Nazi Party was literally the National Socialist Party Of The German Worker.
Of course they were neither Socialist (quite the opposite) nor stood for workers (quite the opposite).
I describe it as "funny" because in the US, the Democrats, whose President has literary said he is a Zionist (I.e. a supporter of the latest variant of the Nazi ideology) operate almost entirely based on the very same principle of claiming to be one thing whilst acting as the opposite.
The very field that allowed Trump to rise with his hypocrite populist speech has long been plowed and fertilized by Democrats relying on sleazy lies and half-truths and turning the Press into their Propaganda Spokesperson to get away with representing their voters less and less: people stopped trusting a certain kind of slick stories and a certain Press promoting misleading statements and deceitful portrayals in a serious tone, which openned the door for the actors politicians doing populist strongmen acts and spewing outright but short and simple lies.
Today's American Political Landscape is a field plowed and sowed by Democrats and harvested by Republicans.
Yeah. But that’s not them doing anything wrong lol.
It’s the system. You have a electoral college majority vote system that only allows two parties because a third party would split the vote. As long as you have that one, it’s literally impossible for any third candidate to win, so it will just remove votes for the better option of the real possible one.
Of course this is horrible and of course no-one likes it. But you have to change the underlying system in order to really get a viable alternative.
Just saying "the system is bad (it is!!) so I won’t follow its rules and waste my vote" won’t help anybody. It will just allow the even worse option to flourish.
Between 99% Hitler and 100% Hitler you want to vote for 99% Hitler. Because 100% Hitler would be 1% more Hitler than 99% Hitler. The goal is to minimize the Hitler.
As non-american I agree you guys should definitely vote Harris, despite Dems being terrible Trump would absolutely be worse on each topic Dems are bad. That being said, rethoric of this post is straight up facist. Using threats of personal consequences for "wrongly" exercising ones right to vote is wild.
Yeah this is pretty sus, reeks of right wing psy ops shit.
It's just blue maga
I've been seeing that term pop up a lot now lately but it's pretty much universally been extreme left people crying that their views aren't popular enough to be mainstream.
But I agree, the rhetoric in the op is not what we should want to be
Nah I'm boycotting this election as we skipped having any sort of primary. Democrats need to learn. I'm getting tired of thinking voting blue no matter who makes long term changes. It's been a long time coming since Bernie was cheated
Also I wasn't a fan with how Marianne was treated after Biden dropped out
This is how you end up with Trump again btw
Like literally. "Oh the democrats will learn from this."
Like wtf no, you never get a real primary with a sitting president. This won’t change anything, you’ll just help to elect Trump.
Bernie was cheated so you want to... punish poor and LGBT and minorities?
I'll vote Dem, but I am ashamed beyond measure of the Dem party. Despite the public doing all they can to stop Trump, the actual candidates running against Trump are sitting on their asses and refusing to take serious action. This "Blue Wave" is not approval FOR Harris-Walz, but rather DISAPPROVAL for Trump. Dems are ultimately more responsible for fascism in the U.S. than their voters.
All in all, the entire United States Government is at fault. This is just one reason why I want an independent Cascadia.
Looks like blue MAGA is masking off agaaaaiiinnnnn blink
There is no blue MAGA
"There is no blue MAGA we're just blue folk who use all the same strategies and mannerisms of MAGA"
just blue folk who use all the same strategies and mannerisms of MAGA
Yeah, that doesn't exist. Like sorry if it breaks your worldview, but not everything has an equal and opposite.
Genuinely, why is everyone on lemmy a democrat? I'm actually tired of seeing these things come across my feed
If you're a Leftist, Lemmy.world defederated from the major Marxist instances, which is why it looks like that for you, and I'd suggest making an account elsewhere.
If you're a conservative, Lemmy is maintained and developed by Communists and FOSS in general appeals to Leftists, the furthest right is typically liberalism.
Not voting Trump != democrat
Many of the communists are on other instances not federated with lemmy world
If Kamala looses: All of the blame gets put on third party voters for not "voting hard enough" (especially if she wins the popular vote and looses in the electoral college). Absolutely none of the blame gets put on her supporting genocide, her vague positions, the fact that her campaign page contains very little about her views or policies, her support of fracking, her general support of oil and gas, her support of genocide, and her support for imperialism. Of course that could all be incorrect but Kamala refuses to dispute those claims.
If Kamala wins: She will do basically nothing, compromise with the Republicans, allow states to ban abortion, allow states to restrict womens rights, allow states to ban trans healthcare, generally allow the far-right to do whatever they want, and continue to fund genocide. When all of this happens third party voters will be blamed for "not voting hard enough" and Kamala will take no responsibility whatever.
Regardless of outcome the next election: The Democrat candidate will be even more right wing because leftists didn't "vote hard enough", they will be even more bipartisan and even less progressive. All of the Liberals will demand everyone vote for this candidate yet the candidate will make no attempt to implement any popular policy. Americas rapid decline into fascism will continue and nobody in power will do anything to stop it.
Once again I ask the question what harm is reduced by "harm reduction"? If anything a more accurate term would be slowing down fascism. But what Liberals refuse to answer is what practical purpose is there to slowing down fascism? Congratulations you get maybe a few extra decades from fascism but then what? Clearly Liberals are buying their time but what exactly are they buying their time for? What is the grand strategy? We've already seen the Democratic Candidate clearly use fascist rhetoric, how long is it until these compromise candidates compromise the rights of minorities? How long until they compromise on Fascism? I would vote "harm reduction" if I knew that at the end of it all theres a plan to eventually fight back but I dont think there is one. I think the Liberal plan is to keep doing "harm reduction" indefinitely, however even if you're a hardcore liberal you have to acknowledge thats a fundamentally unsustainable plan.
TLDR: The only people responsible for Democrats not getting elected are the Democrats themselves and their corporate sponsors who hold them back from instituting popular policy, I get its easy to pin the blame on some group but fundamentally thats little more then a logical fallacy.
The old "if you're not with us then you're against us" position. How about the dems adopt policies that inspire people to vote for them.
Not jailing women for miscarriages is not enough?
Interesting how everyone blames the people and not the corporate party that doesn't represent the people. If Democrats are struggling to get leftist votes then I suggest they do things that will make leftists vote for them.
I don't understand what is so difficult to grasp... In a first past the post system, a candidate that panders to leftists will never win. Not in the current political climate at least.
Conservatives line up behind their chosen candidate, but the left can never agree on fucking anything. And conservatives vote.
So we have a situation where only two parties can emerge, and the person representing the left-leaning party (relatively speaking, I know Democrats are not really "left" in general) has a to walk a tightrope in order to get elected. It is impossible for them to please every faction or individual leftist opinion, and trying to do so would end in certain failure.
Harris could very much be privately supportive of Palestine, but if she were to openly condemn Israel prior to the election, she will 100% lose. Yes, that is shitty, but that is reality right now. That's what needs to be changed, and it doesn't happen one month before the most important election this country has ever had.
So if you want a Democratic candidate to pander to progressives, then progressives need to make themselves impossible to ignore when there is not an election of this importance going on. That's how you move the party to the left. Vote down ballot, vote in local elections, organize for progressives candidates, etc.
But until we get rid of this bullshit first past the post system, voting for anybody besides a Democrat or a Republican is an objective waste.
Unrelated to the message - that's a bad use of the meme, doesn't fit at all.
First of all, you might as well one would be helping Harris by not voting for Trump lmao. Why would not voting for either help one of them?
Also, while I would have her win if I had to choose between the two, I don't like her at all and wouldn't bother voting if I lived in the USA. The impact of a single vote is so small, even in a swing state, and the chances of one's vote being the decisive one as well, that I really wouldn't place much importance on whether I vote.
Of course upholding a system of social incentives for voting by shaming those that don't vote for your favourite candidate might make sense, I think it also promotes a very toxic political climate.
Abstaining or voting third party is an exercise of choice. If you want your candidate to win, vote for them, as we all should do.
Vote for the candidate you support. If you don't support any, you can choose not to vote.
The harsh reality is that leftists, in their outrage over Gaza, are being manipulated to serve the very forces they claim to oppose. Netanyahu, with the same calculated cynicism as Putin, is using this moment of crisis to bolster his own political survival by helping Trump’s re-election bid. AIPAC, already firmly in the Republican camp, is actively working to secure Trump’s victory, just like the leftists—though they may wear different masks. At the core, both groups are contributing to the same outcome: Trump back in power, where Netanyahu and his far-right allies can continue their genocidal wars unchecked.
Leftists may express moral indignation and feel superior in their righteous anger, but at the end of the day, they are playing right into the hands of Netanyahu, Trump, and Putin. They are weakening Kamala Harris, who has a precarious balancing act between Jewish and Arab-American voters, and ensuring that Trump and his cronies can capitalize on this division. Despite their different emotional reactions along the way, both AIPAC and the leftist protesters are on the same side when it comes to the pragmatic analysis: they’re both paving the way for Trump’s return to power. And that’s all the Republicans, Netanyahu, and Putin truly care about—using anyone, even their critics, to achieve their goals.
It’s deeply ironic that a group that prides itself on its materialist analysis can’t seem to distinguish between what they think they’re fighting for and what they’re actually enabling. They claim to oppose imperialism and oppression, yet their actions are directly aligning with the interests of Netanyahu, Trump, and their right-wing allies. For all their talk of understanding power dynamics, they’re blind to the fact that they’re advancing the very agenda they claim to detest.
Or, you know, Kamala could just come out and denounce the Israeli Genocide.
This oft repeated spin straight out of the Political Propaganda 101 book that it's all the lefties' fault for not supporting the Democrat Party whilst their leaders unwaveringly support what is well on its way to become the 21st Century Holocaust rather than it being the fault of the Democrat Party leaders for unwaveringly support what is well on its way to become the 21st Century Holocaust hence they risk losing leftie votes, would be hilarious if it wasn't such an obvious insult to the intelligence of most people.
That the argument always boils down to "these very important people can do whatever the fuck they want no matter how evil and any consequences of that will be the plebes' fault since should have supporting them" (the kind of "logic" an abuser uses) betrays the tribalism hypocrisy that it really is (hence its obvious subservient mindset) rather than the well intentioned advice it tries to pass itself as.
If the objective was truly and only to Stop Trump, the everybody would be equally pushing for it, but apparently it's not as the Democrat Party leadership refuses to stop supporting what's the biggest evil in this century (so far) and instead send their minions around to parrot the abuser's Book Of It's Your Fault You Made Me Do It claiming that the fault for the consequences of the choices the Democrat Party leaders is really of everybody else but them.
No, the blame lies squarely on the DNC for deliberately ignoring the loud and clear message from third party voters that genocide is a red line in the sand. The blame further lies with the liberals supporting a decaying Empire and never lifting a finger to help anyone, just showing up at the ballot box every 4 years while the US commits manmade horrors beyond comprehension.
Join an org, like the Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL) or Freedom Road Socialist Organization (FRSO), this mess can't be undone by supporting the Dems harder.
Smug liberals will be condescending regardless of who wins any election.
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