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North Koreans deployed alongside Russian troops in Ukraine, sources say (www.theguardian.com)

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Engineers said to be supporting missile launches and reports of North Koreans killed near Donetsk

North Korean military engineers have been deployed to help Russia target Ukraine with ballistic missiles, and North Koreans operating in occupied areas of Ukraine have already been killed, senior officials in Kyiv and Seoul said.

There are dozens of North Koreans behind Russian lines, in teams that "support launcher systems for KN-23 missiles", a source in Ukraine told the Guardian.

Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, last year travelled to Russia for a summit with Vladimir Putin where the two men bolstered their deepening ties with a secret arms deal.

Pyongyang's ammunition shipments were vital in allowing Russian forces to advance in a grinding war of attrition in eastern Ukraine this summer. But it appears increasingly clear that the agreement went beyond supplying materiel.

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[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 76 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

We've had Russians, North Koreans, and Indians fighting in Ukraine with Chinese supplied weapons against Ukrainians armed with American, Polish, German, British, and other European weapons in a war that's been going on for nearly two years.

Can we call it a World War yet?

Or are we just going to refuse to use the word until nukes are dropped?

We can also throw in the Middle Eastern theater for good measure too if that's not enough.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 66 points 6 days ago

Seems to me that it's just part of the proxy war that the world powers have been fighting pretty much constantly in an Oceania/Eurasia/Eastasia kind of way since 1945.

[-] FundMECFSResearch 5 points 5 days ago

Orwellian comparison hits here

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 50 points 6 days ago

I’d say the situation is a lot closer to the Spanish Civil War, tbh. A lot of countries sent expeditionary forces and volunteers to assist one side or the other, including Russia and Nazi Germany (who kinda used the conflict as a proving ground for the concept of combined arms doctrine we know as “blitzkrieg”).

[-] sparky@lemmy.federate.cc 14 points 6 days ago

The comparison certainly makes sense. Awesome, that means we’re just a few years shy of a world war.

[-] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 23 points 6 days ago

Yeah but just think 40 years later we’re gonna get some sick movies and video games

[-] Wahots@pawb.social 6 points 5 days ago

360 noscoping russians as a wallrunning Ukrainian super soldier.

[-] FundMECFSResearch 8 points 6 days ago

If you make it through the likely multiple genocides and conscriptions.

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[-] Name@feddit.nu 27 points 6 days ago

But it isn't a world war. The only ones in conflict are Russia and Ukraine. You wouldn't say that the US was fighting Nazi Germany when they booted up the lend-lease. The rest of the countries supplying Ukraine with arms are just doing so under international law, not as participants in the war.

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[-] illi@lemm.ee 28 points 6 days ago

Not until there are NATO boots on the ground, or NATO recognizes it is at war. Russia is already saying it is, NATO just didn't get the memo yet I guess.

You are right in saying Russia kinda made it a world war. I guess with just the one front it just doesn't feel like it.

[-] abff08f4813c@j4vcdedmiokf56h3ho4t62mlku.srv.us 1 points 3 days ago

Yeah, the lack of boots on the ground is an important loophole. It's just arms sales.

Indians fighting in Ukraine? I thought most of those were tricked into helping the Russian military though...

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

It could be pretty easily argued that Gaza/Lebanon is another front. Iran/Russia/China axis seems to be solidifying to an extent, imo.

Israel did just bomb a Russian airbase in Syria, after all.

Edit: guess I didn’t say “Israel is bad” enough in my comment? Seriously, I didn’t even make any value judgments in this comment, y’all are too touchy.

[-] Draces@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago

We didn't call the cold war a world war and that wasn't in a single country

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[-] Zahtu@feddit.org 4 points 5 days ago

I think, its time to get even with them. Just deploy some NATO member Staates troops to Ukraine. I guess Putin wont be complaining too much about it

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[-] FundMECFSResearch 35 points 6 days ago

Yet it is absolutely imperative french troops stray far away 🤡

[-] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago

It’s going to be hilarious when Russia N. Korea and china have to pull there entire economy together to fight this one little nation and Ukraine ends up marching on every single capital.

[-] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 10 points 5 days ago

Hilarious? It would be literally fantastic.

[-] Myxomatosis@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

That sounds like an epic session of Civ V.

[-] Shark_Ra_Thanos@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 days ago

Their

[-] Hotspur@lemmy.ml 25 points 6 days ago

I find it interesting that the loaned DPRK are operating ballistic missile platforms. Makes me wonder if part of the intention is to skill up some of the army units with combat launching exp, which is not the happiest thought, since NK has a continental US capable truck-launched ICBM since 2017.

Of course the plan doesn’t work if they all get killed by Ukrainian drone attacks, but NK has never been too precious about their rank and file anyway.

[-] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 days ago

These are comparatively safer positions.

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[-] McDropout@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

Ukraine gets help from its allies: I sleep

Russia gets help from its allies: 😡😡

The cognitive dissonance of Lemmy users.

[-] FundMECFSResearch 65 points 6 days ago

This you? Immediate block. Shame on you for supporting a mass murdering, civilian butchering, raping, children bombing, war regime.

It’s okay to be proud of Russian culture and celebrate heritage. It’s not okay to support a war of conquests where children are stolen and civilians are slaughtered.

[-] HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Shame on you for supporting a mass murdering, civilian butchering, raping, children bombing, war regime.

Please stick to the topic instead of bringing up Kamala Harris.

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[-] Doom@ttrpg.network 36 points 6 days ago

I don't think that's happening anywhere. People are laughing at the desperation of Russia they're getting help from basically a pariah state

[-] kshade@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

People are laughing at the desperation of Russia they’re getting help from basically a pariah state

Putin was seriously looking at the state of North Korea and thought "yeah, I can do that, I want that".

[-] McDropout@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Russia is still going strong 2 years into the war… after all these western interventions that couldn’t prevent a war.

Sanctions mean nothing. Weapons mean nothing.

Victory to Russia 🇷🇺

[-] hungryphrog 27 points 6 days ago

fuck off you imperialist dipshit

[-] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 15 points 5 days ago

Russia doesnt exist anymore. Its East Ukraine.

[-] Chozo@fedia.io 8 points 5 days ago

I think Lemmygrad might be a better place for you to fuck off to.

[-] zyratoxx@lemm.ee 5 points 5 days ago

Russia is still going strong 2 years into the war

You mean the special military operation that was intended to last 3 days to a week at one point?

[-] Doom@ttrpg.network 6 points 5 days ago

Put your helmet back on buckaroo

[-] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

Username checks out

[-] Chef_Boyardee@lemm.ee 5 points 5 days ago

It posts like this that motivate me to read all of the comments on the hexbear posts. Straight entertainment

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 14 points 5 days ago

Yea that’s how invasions work.

[-] TAYRN@lemmy.world 26 points 6 days ago

You're... Aware that Russia invaded Ukraine, right? And all of this bloodshed, all of these senselessly sacrificed lives, could've been avoided if Russia just DIDN'T invade Ukraine?

[-] AAA@feddit.org 12 points 5 days ago

Ukraine:

Russia: invades Ukraine, committing war crimes on a daily basis.

I don't think you're eligible to judge anyone's cognitive abilities.

[-] BetaBlake@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago

I don't see that happening, but people aren't going to be supporting Russia (or shouldn't) since they're the enemy in all this

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